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Posted 08 December 2012 - 12:37 PM

This is just my own speculation but I'm really excited for whoever we get at DT this draft. I think we have an awesome attitude and culture on our D-Line this year. Guys like Hardy and CJ are stepping up into more vocal leadership roles. Dwan and Frank are studs who also seem to be in the same zone as the former two. Because of that mentality I think whoever we pick up is gonna get a boost from the intensity these guys bring, they don't quit and I think for a rookie with the potential these top guys have to join a line like that is huge. It's hard to quantify but it's just my own opinion. One more young nasty guy in the middle and we'll have one of the best D-Lines in football.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:01 PM

Don't get the hype with Star.

Sure he's a big, strong, athletic man but he doesn't dominate like the hype suggests he should. I prefer Jesse Williams.


You'll see next season.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 10:22 PM

That actually makes sense, they'd try to copy the success of a division rival (Broncos) taking a 3-4 OLB in a 4-3 defense.


I could easily see that happening, but it's not to emulate what the Broncos did, it's the fact that Dennis Allen, the Head Coach of the Raiders, was the defensive coordinator of the Broncos when they took Von Miller. Allen knows how to use that style of OLB in his system (the same system Fox uses).

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 10:27 PM

I could easily see that happening, but it's not to emulate what the Broncos did, it's the fact that Dennis Allen, the Head Coach of the Raiders, was the defensive coordinator of the Broncos when they took Von Miller. Allen knows how to use that style of OLB in his system (the same system Fox uses).


Or what really could happen is they go with Manti Teo. They need lb badly and Rolando have been pretty bad. Manti is a Heisman finalist and will be playing in the Championship game. He has a great resume to go with it.



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Posted 08 December 2012 - 10:27 PM

Jesse Williams is another interesting name. That guy will dominate at the next level no doubt.

I worry about stars production at the next level, I think he'll be good, but not great.

Hankins is still my front runner. He would be the perfect dominate nose tackle for us.


It's amazing, I agree with almost everything you say in the draft forum. Between you, Lout, and a couple of others, we have some awesome draft talk people.

But, here I agree and disagree. I don't think Star will dominate, honestly. I think his football IQ is way lower than people think it is, and he's going to need the right system to really shine.

However, I don't think Hankins is going to be a star either. When I see Hankins, I honestly see a lot of Gerald McCoy. Some one that could definitely be good, but it's going to take a couple of years before he really emerges, something we don't have time to wait around for.

As far as Williams goes, I tend to agree. The guy is going to be a beast. He's strong, he's physical, and he's played in a true pro-style defense. But, I think there's so many more options out there that would be an immediate change to our team.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 10:30 PM

Or what really could happen is they go with Manti Teo. They need lb badly and Rolando have been pretty bad. Manti is a Heisman finalist and will be playing in the Championship game. He has a great resume to go with it.


You're right, that could definitely happen. I didn't even think about that. Te'o also fits into that style of defense as well, being a very good coverage MLB.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 03:32 AM

It's amazing, I agree with almost everything you say in the draft forum. Between you, Lout, and a couple of others, we have some awesome draft talk people.

But, here I agree and disagree. I don't think Star will dominate, honestly. I think his football IQ is way lower than people think it is, and he's going to need the right system to really shine.

However, I don't think Hankins is going to be a star either. When I see Hankins, I honestly see a lot of Gerald McCoy. Some one that could definitely be good, but it's going to take a couple of years before he really emerges, something we don't have time to wait around for.

As far as Williams goes, I tend to agree. The guy is going to be a beast. He's strong, he's physical, and he's played in a true pro-style defense. But, I think there's so many more options out there that would be an immediate change to our team.


Maybe it's because we find ourselves in this bitter/sweet position so often as panther fans?

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 08:14 AM

Panther fans get a head start on the rest of the league in draft talk. Most teams don't get to camp until mid January.

Panther fans show up just after Thanksgiving each year.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 08:37 AM

Yup. Which is why chuck/panthersguru (same guy) are on fugging mock draft 7.5 in early December.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 08:43 AM

I used to get hyped about it early on, but with the FO and coaching changes, I am going to sit back to see which coach and and direction/philosophy we might be headed.

Until then, who knows what might be stressed. Back to running the ball? Chud and his open offense stay?

Will jump in then

I mean, look at this. What would be the direction here? Would Jerry consider this guy? Hope not. If he did, I am uncertain which way we would go in the draft. Trade down maybe? Multiple times? That is NE's M O.

http://profootballta...s-a-head-coach/


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