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For those of you grabbing a life vest and jumping off the Cam ship, you bettet make sure it's sinking


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#25 rodeo

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 10:53 AM

Haven't seen many jumping, unless you define any valid criticism as such.

"I hate him because I have a feeling he's very arrogant, but don't ask me for specifics" is not a valid criticism. There are a lot of people espousing that sort of view.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 11:05 AM

I'm sorry but anyone who uses the term "nut hugger" should automatically be disqualified from discussion.


Damn right, nuts aren't meant to be hugged, that crap hurts like hell.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 11:07 AM

It's not secret I don't believe in Cam, but I'm ready to see him with a new coach next season andprove me wrong.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 11:12 AM

Cam is almost the only bright spot of this team. He and Kuechly.


Sad but true....

At the same time they are both great selling points to new GM/Coaches. Come build around the 2011 OROY and the 2012 DROY (At least he should be.)

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 11:18 AM

I have no problem with legit criticisms. For me, legit criticisms are things like: occasional overthrows on short passes, too often passes up checkdowns, sometimes sits in the pocket too long waiting for recievers to come open when he should take off or throw it away.

Vapid, worthless criticisms include: TD celebrations, first down pose, towel on head, taking ball from a player to give it to fan, smiling before games, frowning after losses, ignoring tools like Peter King and Rick Riley and causing them to get their panties in a wad, "arrogance", and any comparison to Vince Young.



Agreed x 10 + 1000 to the nth degree

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 11:30 AM

My 5 year old likes elf on a shelf, and she also likes Cam Newton and the Panthers... she always asks, why they lose all the time. (Shes a front runner with the ducks), what a paradox. At least she knows David (her elf on the shelf) is going to be in a new spot every day until christmas.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 11:30 AM

I'm sorry but anyone who uses the term "nut hugger" should automatically be disqualified from discussion.


Will you be equally dismissive of people who use the term 'hater' as well? It's the opposite side of the same coin.

Are there people who irrationally think Newton can do no right? Yep. There are also people who just as irrationally act like he can do no wrong. Can't acknowledge the existence of one and deny the other without setting up a double standard.

As to the topic, I definitely don't think the boat is sinking. I do think there are some leaks that need to be addressed to ensure smooth sailing in the future

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 11:31 AM

I could be wrong, but, yes, Cam had his so-called sophomore slump, but I believe that he is now beginning to put it all together. I believe that he is listening to his coaches, mentors and family and learning how to be a pro level QB and a mature-minded leader. More importantly, he is taking the constructive criticism in stride, stopped pressing, and learning how to have fun again. As for all the destructive criticism, he is like many of us, and will let his success do all the talking for him at the appointed time.



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Posted 07 December 2012 - 11:45 AM

Will you be equally dismissive of people who use the term 'hater' as well? It's the opposite side of the same coin.

Are there people who irrationally think Newton can do no right? Yep. There are also people who just as irrationally act like he can do no wrong. Can't acknowledge the existence of one and deny the other without setting up a double standard.

As to the topic, I definitely don't think the boat is sinking. I do think there are some leaks that need to be addressed to ensure smooth sailing in the future


I don't recall ever referring to anyone who critiques him as a hater. Both sound pretty childish. If I'm going to attempt to insult and degrade someones opinion I would atleast come up with something better than that.

Just because someone doesn't moan and groan over trivial details about him that doesn't mean they are somehow biased.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 11:57 AM

I don't recall ever referring to anyone who critiques him as a hater. Both sound pretty childish. If I'm going to attempt to insult and degrade someones opinion I would atleast come up with something better than that.

Just because someone doesn't choose to moan and groan over trivial details about him that we are somehow biased.


May not be you, but the term gets thrown around plenty, and generally for stupid reasons.

There are trivial issues people have with Newton for sure. The prior post by Mango55 summarized those pretty well. Some other things- footwork, accuracy and leadership for example - aren't so trivial.

If those things get addressed, I'll be happy.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 12:02 PM

May not be you, but the term gets thrown around plenty, and generally for stupid reasons.

There are trivial issues people have with Newton for sure. The prior post by Mango55 summarized those pretty well. Some other things- footwork, accuracy and leadership for example - aren't so trivial.

If those things get addressed, I'll be happy.


Footwork, accuracy, leadership. Absolutely. All of those things can be worked on and will come with time.

We need the right head coach to pair with Cam. It seems to me Ron Rivera offers little to no guidance or stern example for him to lead with. I really think a Harbaugh type with that kind of personality and influence around Cam would do wonders for him and push him to his potential which we know he is capable of.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 12:02 PM

Trying to think of a QB that people didn't gripe about trivial issues.... Can't think of any.

Jimmy and his girly twitter posts for example.