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Ok, ill say it. 7-9, Rivera should stay, unless...

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[quote name='Kevin Greene' timestamp='1355093360' post='2038815']
Meaningless late season wins, do not want.
[/quote]no win is meaningless.
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i really have a feeling if we run the table and finish 7-9 even a lot of the biggest Rivera critics will have a change of heart.

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No, Rivera is inherent loser. He will show the trait again (it is recessive) when the marbles are on the line... If Cam somehow would carry him to a playoff game

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[quote name='PantherTrain84' timestamp='1355098742' post='2039047']
i really have a feeling if we run the table and finish 7-9 even a lot of the biggest Rivera critics will have a change of heart.m a
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I'm a rather large (6'6" 270 lbs) Rivera critic.... and the answer is, "No, I won't be having a change of heart."

...and Bayliss is a moron...

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If Ron had been struggling, trying everything he could, every angle he could conceive to win, out of his own initiative, I would agree... but it took Hurney getting fired just to start putting Cam under center more & getting our overpriced backfield back into the game. Thus I for one say no
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We lost to the Chiefs.
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[quote name='Kevin Greene' timestamp='1355093360' post='2038815']
Rivera, do not want.
Meaningless late season wins, do not want.
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you get it.we win a game and suddenly everyone forgets the late game meltdowns we have had all season.get rid of ron and staff now.these wins now are meaningless.to late imo.but my luck we will end up with ron again next year with the same old results

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[quote name='rodeo' timestamp='1355099590' post='2039089']
We lost to the Chiefs.
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We just beat the Falcons. (Other side of the coin I suppose.)
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[quote name='rodeo' timestamp='1355099590' post='2039089']
We lost to the Chiefs.
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And had Rivera been fired immediately after that loss the Panthers still would have won today.

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[quote name='BBQ&Beer' timestamp='1355099236' post='2039067']
If Ron had been struggling, trying everything he could, every angle he could conceive to win, out of his own initiative, I would agree... but it took Hurney getting fired just to start putting Cam under center more & getting our overpriced backfield back into the game. Thus I for one say no
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This times 1000.

We ran that ridiculous offense for the first 6 games of the year until Chud was forced to change. What happens? We get better. Chud gets his back against the wall after 10 games for questions about why Cam isn't calling audibles. What happens? They start letting Cam call audibles and we get better.

It has been outrage from the owner, fans and the media that has driven Chud and Rivera to change and that's the only reason we aren't still seeing the same crap we saw the first 6 weeks.

Sorry, but they've got to go.
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[quote name='PantherTrain84' timestamp='1355098742' post='2039047']
i really have a feeling if we run the table and finish 7-9 even a lot of the biggest Rivera critics will have a change of heart.
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I wouldn't. The reason I wont have a change of heart because I will ask myself were was this at the first beginning of the season? What made Rivera want to improve or coach harder? The fact that our GM had to be fired to light an fire under their asses.I done seen enough of Rivera. At best Rivera is a good Defensive coordinator. He is not head coach material. The last two season show that.

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[quote name='Happy Panther' timestamp='1355098008' post='2039017']



The math doesn't explain every scenario. It's just an estimate. Like the weather.

You have to actually wait until every down is played to know who is in the playoffs. Rivera still has a chance imo if we get a wildcard.
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Math actually does explain every scenario.

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