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[Matthias]

I've been saying all season that Shula needs to go....We need a QB coach that beleives in Cam as an NFL quarterback and make him an NFL quarterback, , not a coach that will try and work around Cam's athletic ability. Don't get me wrong, Shula did good with Cam, but I think Cam's accuracy issues are a results of not having the basics down like footwork, mechanics and pocket presence...

Our offensive scheme didn't encourage Cam to have the basics down I believe. For the longest, Cam was a one man show. He had to worry about passing and running. Of course we all know the read option is a nice play to mix into the offense, but it was our main offense for most of the season. Rivera thought he could be the Gene Chizick of the NFL for some reason. It wasn't even like Cam was the only good player on offense, but he was surrounded with talent.

I just want to be done with a coach that had that mindset. Rivera should have changed things up after the blowout by the Giants, but he only changed when he saw the outcry. Do not want a coach who waits until people want his head before he coaches.

[rodeo]

This poll doesn't have enough variables.

Ron should stay if we go 7-9 and he and the new GM rebuild the staff, including coordinators and assistants.

[rayzor]

I'm really getting tired of you and CRA every time I post, I have to talk to you both again as if we haven't already had this conversation a dozen times already, which we have.

ok so one more time now.

What has been the biggest issue with the Panthers this season? Holding on to leads and Closing out games, I think we can all agree on that.

by the book what do you do if you are Up and what does the opposing offense do if they are Down in the second half of the game? You saw yesterday against Atlanta, If you are up you Rush the ball and if you are down, you pass the ball.

Basically you want to run the ball more to eat up the clock and they are going to pass more because time is their enemy and need to hold on to as much as possible.

What are the 2 biggest area's of weakness on the Panthers right now? The Offensive line and the Defensive backs. both unites are atrocious especially our DB's this season.

hence our personnel issues and problems closing out games.

have there been things that Rivera inc. could have done better? yep but are they the primary reason for the way things are this season? nope.

I would say our issues this season are 25% Coaches and 75% players.

As they say coaching can only go so far, players have to play.

If you want to truly understand this you have to know who our Coaches are, Rivera was the Best DC of the last 10 years in the NFL and contrary to popular opinion he didn't just wake up one morning as the Panthers HC and forget how to Coach Defense. with that also being said Chud while I found his play calling over the first 4 games overly gimmicky after that he went back to more of a pro based offense from last year and the offensive success started to return just minus the running game(O-line).

like i said...i don't buy it. that's my opinion.

and honestly i don't remember having this conversation with you very much at all, but whatever.

"by the book" meh...the book is being re-written, but whatever.

you said you're getting tired of discussing this with me so i won't bother you any further lololol.

[Matthias]

This poll doesn't have enough variables.

Ron should stay if we go 7-9 and he and the new GM rebuild the staff, including coordinators and assistants.

I see the coordinators as an extension of Rivera. It would be one thing if Chud tried out his read option offense plan for a couple of games, and Rivera said enough with that. No, Rivera allowed things to continue, so he is just as guilty of stupid play calling as they are.

[Swaggasaurus]

To me it matters how the players feel. If they feel confident in our coaches they should get another year. By players I mean Cam, Luke, CJ and Hardy only.

[Jackofalltrades]

I think he, and the vast majority of guys, deserve three years to do their thing.

[Matthias]

I'm really getting tired of you and CRA every time I post, I have to talk to you both again as if we haven't already had this conversation a dozen times already, which we have.

ok so one more time now.

What has been the biggest issue with the Panthers this season? Holding on to leads and Closing out games, I think we can all agree on that.

by the book what do you do if you are Up and what does the opposing offense do if they are Down in the second half of the game? You saw yesterday against Atlanta, If you are up you Rush the ball and if you are down, you pass the ball.

Basically you want to run the ball more to eat up the clock and they are going to pass more because time is their enemy and need to hold on to as much as possible.

What are the 2 biggest area's of weakness on the Panthers right now? The Offensive line and the Defensive backs. both unites are atrocious especially our DB's this season.

hence our personnel issues and problems closing out games.

have there been things that Rivera inc. could have done better? yep but are they the primary reason for the way things are this season? nope.

I would say our issues this season are 25% Coaches and 75% players.

As they say coaching can only go so far, players have to play.

If you want to truly understand this you have to know who our Coaches are, Rivera was the Best DC of the last 10 years in the NFL and contrary to popular opinion he didn't just wake up one morning as the Panthers HC and forget how to Coach Defense. with that also being said Chud while I found his play calling over the first 4 games overly gimmicky after that he went back to more of a pro based offense from last year and the offensive success started to return just minus the running game(O-line).

With this same team, Harbaugh would have had us fighting for homefield advantage.

[rayzor]

To me it matters how the players feel. If they feel confident in our coaches they should get another year. By players I mean Cam, Luke, CJ and Hardy only.

the problem i have is that the players might be too close to the situation to think objectively.

they may like rivera. they may like chud and mcD. they liked hurney. doesn't mean that the job doesn't need to change hands.

supposedly many of them liked fox, but he wasn't pulling the best out of them.

[emhoward]

Voted no, but that could change.

My worry isn't Rivera per se, it's the fact that I literally can't name any other coach out there that I would really believe in besides David Shaw, and if that's the case we could let go of Rivera after only two years only to replace him with someone even less competent. I think those that want Rivera gone, including myself, sometime forget that it's not a guarentee that the next coach is any better.

Cowher? meh. Zimmer? meh. Clements? Meh. Horton? Though i like still, meh. Kelly? high risk/high reward. Gruden? meh. etc...

I get both sides of the coin. But how can you fire a coach after two years? two years?

I know it sounds like I want to keep him, I don't, it's just I don't think it's a no brainer decision like some.
I know I'm stretching with this comparision, but i get the feeling that Rivera is our Doug Collins and we have yet to find our Phil Jackson and that's the reason i voted no...for now.

[rayzor]

With this same team, Harbaugh would have had us fighting for homefield advantage.

this i completely believe.

[rayzor]

I think he, and the vast majority of guys, deserve three years to do their thing.

i agree with that...conditionally. there has to be improvement every year.

until the last couple weeks i don't think i've seen it and even then, it might not be enough.

[emhoward]

With this same team, Harbaugh would have had us fighting for homefield advantage.

Uh, i disagree, I think we would be better, but not Home field throughout the playoffs better.

[Swaggasaurus]

the problem i have is that the players might be too close to the situation to think objectively.

they may like rivera. they may like chud and mcD. they liked hurney. doesn't mean that the job doesn't need to change hands.

supposedly many of them liked fox, but he wasn't pulling the best out of them.

Meh, I felt as though many players were tired of Fox. Firing Hurney may or may not have been a good move in regards to keeping the players happy, but our draft fails and lucrative shitty contracts needed to be addressed.

[Matthias]

Voted no, but that could change.

My worry isn't Rivera per se, it's the fact that I literally can't name any other coach out there that I would really believe in besides David Shaw, and if that's the case we could let go of Rivera after only two years only to replace him with someone even less competent. I think those that want Rivera gone, including myself, sometime forget that it's not a guarentee that the next coach is any better.

Cowher? meh. Zimmer? meh. Clements? Meh. Horton? Though i like still, meh. Kelly? high risk/high reward. Gruden? meh. etc...

I get both sides of the coin. But how can you fire a coach after two years? two years?

I know it sounds like I want to keep him, I don't, it's just I don't think it's a no brainer decision like some.
I know I'm stretching with this comparision, but i get the feeling that Rivera is our Doug Collins and we have yet to find our Phil Jackson and that's the reason i voted no...for now.

Excellent point. Yet my big thing is getting a coach that will develop Cam. I know for sure Rivera won't be able to do that. If we can get a coach that is old school in QB play, that would be awesome. Cam needs to become his own player, and for that he needs the skills of a surgeon when it comes to defenses. To me that is the final piece missing in his game. Once he have that, he will evolve into the greatest QB in the history of the game. Teams rally behind that kind of thing. So even if we get an average coach who can develop QBs, that is all we really need.

If we can get a guy like David Shaw, who has that ability and more, I believe our team could become legendary. Yet like I said, just give me a coach who can teach QB mechanics and anticipation.

[KissMyConverse]

Umm to me a coach needs more than 2 seasons. That being said I have seen us loose too many games because of the Coach. So basically it boils down to "Is the coach we are bringing in a known significant upgrade to Rivera?" If you can't answer that question with a 100% Yes.... Then against my better judgement give him another shot.