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#46 fieryprophet

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 12:32 AM

So. . .if we win, we win, and if we lose, we also win. Just embrace it.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 01:18 AM

regardless of overall records how many games have we lost that we should have won? about 4-5? that all comes down to game management and decision making skills. that game first game in ATL if we went for it instead of punting it away we drive down the clock and win yet we give it to matt ryan to make us pay. we have yet to put back to back wins together. thats not just on players and injuries. thats on RR not being able to motivate the players and lead them to back to back wins and keep us on track. two seasons of having poor poor opening season then trying really hard the last half. If you havent noticed Cam keeps us in games he gives us a great chance to win and i think RR clearly diminishes that with lack of overall leadership and game management skills. he needs to be gone if we hope to be serious contenders next year. we should be in the playoff hunt next year. Ask yourself this, Do you see Ron Rivera as a Superbowl winning coach? cause thats the ultimate goal right? I dont see him winning it all. On to the next please


2 of those games were not incorrect coaching. Hartsock was wide open in Seattle when cam made the worst pass ever and we had a first before he fumbled in Atlanta. So both had the correct end game calls to start with.

Not trying to defend Rivera, 2-3 games are on him, just saying if we close out well I think the big cat will keep him..

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 01:20 AM

God almighty with the lose for draft position garbage...only LOSERS want higher draft picks

Wake the hell up

#49 CarolinaCoolin

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 01:24 AM

2 of those games were not incorrect coaching. Hartsock was wide open in Seattle when cam made the worst pass ever and we had a first before he fumbled in Atlanta. So both had the correct end game calls to start with.

Not trying to defend Rivera, 2-3 games are on him, just saying if we close out well I think the big cat will keep him..

But do you see him winning it all? I dont. look whose won the superbowl recently. Tom Caughlin. Bill Bilicick. Sean Payton. Mike Tomlin.

RR is not that caliber of a coach. He never will be. We need a good coach to win it all.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 01:31 AM

regardless of overall records how many games have we lost that we should have won? about 4-5? that all comes down to game management and decision making skills. that game first game in ATL if we went for it instead of punting it away we drive down the clock and win yet we give it to matt ryan to make us pay. we have yet to put back to back wins together. thats not just on players and injuries. thats on RR not being able to motivate the players and lead them to back to back wins and keep us on track. two seasons of having poor poor opening season then trying really hard the last half. If you havent noticed Cam keeps us in games he gives us a great chance to win and i think RR clearly diminishes that with lack of overall leadership and game management skills. he needs to be gone if we hope to be serious contenders next year. we should be in the playoff hunt next year. Ask yourself this, Do you see Ron Rivera as a Superbowl winning coach? cause thats the ultimate goal right? I dont see him winning it all. On to the next please


And I can somewhat agree, but im actually thinking as if im JR and the new GM. Do you fire a HC who wins 4 in a row, is in his 2nd year, improves upon his record from the first season and so far had a hand in hitting home runs on his first two 1st round picks? Again, im not really lobbying for him. Im just trying to think as a GM or owner.

BTW, no matter what happens of we can the likes of Gruden or Cowher then yes, you fire RR with no hesitation. But we can all agree college HCs are a huge risk, and assuming we dont get a Dungy, a Cowher or a Gruden. Is there really a NFL coordinator out there that looks to be a slam dunk candidate currently as a HC?

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 01:34 AM

2 of those games were not incorrect coaching. Hartsock was wide open in Seattle when cam made the worst pass ever and we had a first before he fumbled in Atlanta. So both had the correct end game calls to start with.

Not trying to defend Rivera, 2-3 games are on him, just saying if we close out well I think the big cat will keep him..


AND lets not forget the Tampa Bay game. It was 3rd and long, Cam ran the ball with a minute left in the game and came a yard shy of the first down to close the game. Had we got that, Cam made the pass to Hartsock aganst the Hawks and no fumble in the Falcons game. We would be 7-6 right now

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 01:37 AM

And I can somewhat agree, but im actually thinking as if im JR and the new GM. Do you fire a HC who wins 4 in a row, is in his 2nd year, improves upon his record from the first season and so far had a hand in hitting home runs on his first two 1st round picks? Again, im not really lobbying for him. Im just trying to think as a GM or owner.

BTW, no matter what happens of we can the likes of Gruden or Cowher then yes, you fire RR with no hesitation. But we can all agree college HCs are a huge risk, and assuming we dont get a Dungy, a Cowher or a Gruden. Is there really a NFL coordinator out there that looks to be a slam dunk candidate currently as a HC?


Cowher is looking more and more likely to me. But im personally i fan of David Shaw if we did go college but i dont think their are any coordinators im sold on. But as far as looking at it from a GM thing id do the same thing if we wont win it all with this guy whats the point?

Why date a girl you know you'll never marry. You break it off to find the one you actually will with. Staying with RR if he wins four in a row would be like staying with a chick who let you put it in her butt once but you know youre not in love with her.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 01:46 AM

I'd be fine not picking in the top 10. Nothing is sure-fire in the NFL draft. Look what we got out of Hardy for a 6th rounder.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 02:02 AM

When did Gruden become a slam dunk? He won with Dungy's defense then pissed away all that talent. John Fox outcoached him on a regular basis. I want to win out but either way we aren't going to the playoff's. I think we must go O Line with our first pick. The time has come, we cannot wait any longer to address the tackle position. We will have to continue to live on late round defensive lineman and lock up key positions in the first 2 rounds. Maybe with Hurney gone we can retain our top 3 picks for 2014!

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 02:49 AM

Oh if we finish 7-9 I will bet top dollar he stays. Pat Y seems to think frm what he has heard, JR thinks very highly of Rivera and a 7-9 record might be just the thing giving JR a chance to retain him for one more season. As ive said before, find me one, just one HC that got fired after 2 seasons when the 2nd season had a better record than the 1st season


Show me exactly(links) what pat y has "heard" and show me where you found out that JR thinks very highly of Rivera because if I remember JR had reservations about hiring him in the first place according to Lombardi.. Show me where you found all this

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 03:39 AM

A lot of things could happen after this Sunday's game. For instance. Say we beat the Chargers, this could happen. The Lions and Cardinals both play each other and both have 4 wins. The good news is, we would hold the SOS tiebreaker over both teams. The bad news is, if we win we are already guaranteed to fall 2 draft spots automaticially. A. Either the Cards or Lions will move up and B. Chargers hold SOS tie breaker over us so they would also move ahead of us, as a result we drop to the 7th pick.

But it doesnt end there. If the Titans lose to the Jets they would also move ahead of us, so now we drop another spot to pick number 8. Wait, there is still more. Cleveland currently holds SOS tie breaker over us, they play the Redskins and if they lose, you guessed it they also move ahead of us, Panthers then fall to number 9 overall pick. But wait, there is more...

The Saints also hold a SOS tie breaker over us, so if we win, they lose. We now pick 10th. The pain doesnt end there. The Bills, yep you guessed it, hold SOS tiebreaker over us as well. If they lose to the Seahawks and we win, we are now sitting at pick 11.

So to sum this up, if we beat the Chargers it is a real possibility we fall allllll the way to number 11 in the draft. Oh, lets not even start to think about the Dolphins losing to the Jags and the fact they also hold SOS tiebreaker over us which in turn would drop us to the number 12th pick. I mean they cant possibly lose to the Jags, right? RIGHT?!?


you're such a fuging idiot and I wish you'd never post here again

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 03:42 AM

You all do realize if we win out then its all but certain Rivera stays? Its fine with me but I know a lot of you on here are on the fire Rivera bandwagon and thinking he will be fired if we win out and go 7-9 are just plain delusional. Name one single HC who got fired after their 2nd year as a HC after posting a better win/loss record in their 2nd year?


screw you for wanting us to lose. No real fan would ever want their team to lose. I'm adding you to my ignore list because you make me rage.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 03:49 AM

I hope we loose for 2 reasons.

1. To make sure that Rivera absolutely gets fired by the new GM

2. I freaking want Luke Joeckel as our new LT

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 05:51 AM

Just win baby!

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:08 AM

YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME


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