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#31 4Corners

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 09:55 AM

Back on the topic of awful WFNZ commentary, Taylor Zarzour said he would trade JStew for DeAngelo Hall.

Lol when he said that my opinion of him took a irreversible nose dive.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:05 AM

I suspect Rivera will get one more year... beating the Falcons is "trending up".


I think it will depend on the GMs evaluation. Hopefully he does not base it on one game because the chief kicked our ass the week before and they are the worst team in football.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:07 AM

So the rest of the season doesn't matter?

i think that all that matters is being able to turn it around. it doesn't matter when that turning around happens, as long as it does.

i think that to an extent they have...i mean with the offense it was turning it back to what they did well last year.

my real doubt and concern is that i don't know if it's sustainable. i don't know that they've learned their lesson on what to do with a cam led offense. will they stick with what works really well and let him grow in that (my preference) or will they try and "change it up" again and make things overly and unnecessarily complicated (which it was) and at the same time incredibly predictable (which is was)?

just because they've (hopefully) learned to be more bold and aggressive and keep on pushing at the end and try to keep the ball in their own offenses hands instead of trying to play it safe and try to let their defense "protect" the lead, doesn't mean they won't go back to, in their own minds, a more traditional and safe approach which has proven itself to be ineffective, at least here anyway.

if there are better options available, i think they should be pursued. if the new GM thinks that we would be better off going a different direction, i think it's the right call. if the new GM thinks that this course is sustainable and at the very least rivera would be kept on a short leash then i'm good with that.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:09 AM

Graves has done a terrible job at finding/trading/drafting QBs for Whisenhunt and his personel moves are a major reason why they're where they are. Whiz is an interesting option actually.

Josh McDaniels: hell to the no

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:20 AM

Josh McDaniels blew up the Broncos of thier top talent and went all in on The Golden Calf of Bristol...
the Broncos have just now recovered..

I like Wisenhunt a lot...but his team has quit on him. Still like to see him with a talent laden roster as he did not draft or build his team.

With all the Fire Rivera supporters you are assuming an upgrade at coach or a big name coming here.

Even with a big name or potential "Upgrade" at coach you have to consider the transistion from College..even a Chip Kelly would have to tweak his style a bit...and those Olinemen better be in shape!

Rivera, in year 3, purging the Hurney Fox era guys that Rivera is clearly not a fan of(CHARLES GODFREY, SHERROD MARTIN), Norman (wake up call), Gamble(old-pricey) can help alot.

The games that have been lost could easily have been won and the scales have to be tipped the other way. Cam struggling is actually a blessing in disguise bc it gave Cam an instant focus and will make him a better QB as we have seen in recent weeks..this is the best he has ever played.

Im not saying keep Rivera but it may be a smartest play to do so..

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:20 AM

i think that all that matters is being able to turn it around. it doesn't matter when that turning around happens, as long as it does.

i think that to an extent they have...i mean with the offense it was turning it back to what they did well last year.

my real doubt and concern is that i don't know if it's sustainable. i don't know that they've learned their lesson on what to do with a cam led offense. will they stick with what works really well and let him grow in that (my preference) or will they try and "change it up" again and make things overly and unnecessarily complicated (which it was) and at the same time incredibly predictable (which is was)?

just because they've (hopefully) learned to be more bold and aggressive and keep on pushing at the end and try to keep the ball in their own offenses hands instead of trying to play it safe and try to let their defense "protect" the lead, doesn't mean they won't go back to, in their own minds, a more traditional and safe approach which has proven itself to be ineffective, at least here anyway.

if there are better options available, i think they should be pursued. if the new GM thinks that we would be better off going a different direction, i think it's the right call. if the new GM thinks that this course is sustainable and at the very least rivera would be kept on a short leash then i'm good with that.


I understand were you are coming from. The only point I want to make is that I just don't believe Rivera is the guy to get us to the Super Bowl. I'm all about playoffs and championships. We haven't been to the playoffs since 2008. Rivera and his staff are very inconsistent they lose the games that would help keep us on the road to the playoffs but at the end of the season we beat the Falcons when it doesn't matter. I just see too much of Norv Turner tendencies in Rivera. Rivera team start off slow and lack motivation just like Norv team. It take rumors about being fired and in our situation our GM gets fired in order to light a fire under their asses.

That is too much of being inconsistent for me. The only way I would even think about Rivera staying is that we finish 7-9. If he ends up staying, I don't want him on a short leash at all. If you have to put somebody on a short leash it only means that they don't need to be there.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:25 AM

^agreed.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:30 AM

I would take McDaniels. I know it's an unpopular position, but if he were a bum, would Belichick have taken him back? Most people would not have been excited about Belichick after Cleveland.
I would think McDaniels learned something from his experience in Denver. I would have to know that for a fact before I hired him, though.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:36 AM

Rivera teams start off slow and lack motivation just like Norv team.

Yep. I made a thread about this a while back. I think he's easy going in practices and does not emphasize conditioning. It's also one of the reasons out defense is gassed at the end of games.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:41 AM

I would take McDaniels. I know it's an unpopular position, but if he were a bum, would Belichick have taken him back? Most people would not have been excited about Belichick after Cleveland.
I would think McDaniels learned something from his experience in Denver. I would have to know that for a fact before I hired him, though.


I don't know about McDaniels right now. I think he will eventually be a good coach in the league if he ever gets another opportunity. The stuff he did in Denver was very immature though. How can you trade Jay Cutler? He just had too much say in personnel decisions which is a death wish especially for a first time HC. If he had a GM with some balls he might still be coaching in Denver. Oh well.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:59 AM

I would take McDaniels. I know it's an unpopular position, but if he were a bum, would Belichick have taken him back? Most people would not have been excited about Belichick after Cleveland.
I would think McDaniels learned something from his experience in Denver. I would have to know that for a fact before I hired him, though.

as a OC he's not a bum. as a HC, he's a bum.

belichick didn't take him back to be a HC. he took him back because he's a great OC. being a great OC doesn't make you a good HC, which he showed in spades.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 11:46 AM

poo I'd take Wishenhunt anyday of the week. Are y'all kidding me?

He's a great offensive minded coach. Look what he did with Warner. The bad plays at their QB position is probably going to cost his job.

His team didn't quit on him. They quit of the bad plays of the QBs.

Cam + Wishenhunt = BIG THINGS

No for McDaniels, fu(k the man. He destroyed a winning organization in two simple years. Don't want the man near Charlotte.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 11:50 AM

Back on the topic of awful WFNZ commentary, Taylor Zarzour said he would trade JStew for DeAngelo Hall.

Lol when he said that my opinion of him took a irreversible nose dive.


LMFAO. The fu(k. Does he not know that the Redskins already have a rookie rusher who already rushed for 1k.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 01:46 PM

i think that all that matters is being able to turn it around. it doesn't matter when that turning around happens, as long as it does.


I agree to an extent. But then I look at San Diego. They have been in that suck-early-turn-it-around-late rut for years now. I don't want to get stuck in that spin cycle with Ron.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 01:57 PM

I agree to an extent. But then I look at San Diego. They have been in that suck-early-turn-it-around-late rut for years now. I don't want to get stuck in that spin cycle with Ron.

totally agreed.

you know that they are right on the cusp of doing great things and until this year, every year seemed like they could make a solid run at the superbowl. they just continually underachieve and there's only so long you can go just blaming it on the players and not the coaching staff.


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