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Elections over...here come the new regulations

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[url="http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_REGULATIONS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-12-13-03-21-05"]http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_REGULATIONS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-12-13-03-21-05[/url]

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But since the election, the Obama administration has quietly reopened the regulations pipeline.
In recent weeks, the Environmental Protection Agency has proposed rules to update water quality guidelines for beaches and other recreational waters and deal with runoff from logging roads. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, meanwhile, has proposed long-delayed regulations requiring auto makers to include event data recorders - better known as "black boxes" - in all new cars and light trucks beginning in 2014.[/quote]

Who's up for some car black boxes!

I'm sure the jobs are going to create themselves any moment now. Any moment now. Starting....now.

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Some form of this has been in cars since the 90's. It's not a huge change at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-board_diagnostics

[quote]1996: The OBD-II specification is made mandatory for all cars sold in the United States.[/quote]

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Why are these bad?

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That's for onboard computer diagnostics. Not recording of events leading up to crash. Voice? Brakes depressed at x, while running at x speed, mph at point airbag deployment=you were travelling at unsafe speed ticket/potential loss of license. Not that I'm minimizing the amazing amount of data that can be derived from it, but can be abused.

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Yeah! Why should we give a fug about "water quality"!?

Hell! Republicans coulda created millions of jobs by now if they didn't have to dedicate so many resources to making sure the "Kenyan" was a one term president!

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[quote name='g5jamz' timestamp='1355409153' post='2044446']
That's for onboard computer diagnostics. Not recording of events leading up to crash. Voice? Brakes depressed at x, while running at x speed, mph at point airbag deployment=you were travelling at unsafe speed ticket/potential loss of license. Not that I'm minimizing the amazing amount of data that can be derived from it, but can be abused.
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Personally, if I or a member of my family were in an accident I'd want to know what happened, even if it was tragic. Granted you do have a point that this can be abused especially by the insurance companies.

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[quote name='BBQ&Beer' timestamp='1355409341' post='2044451']
Yeah! Why should we give a fug about "water quality"!?

Hell! Republicans coulda created millions of jobs by now if they didn't have to dedicate so many resources to making sure the "Kenyan" was a one term president!
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Why are you such a racist piece of poo?

Nothing stopped Obama from releasing these regulations prior to the election. Why didn't he.

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[quote name='g5jamz' timestamp='1355409153' post='2044446']
That's for onboard computer diagnostics. Not recording of events leading up to crash. Voice? Brakes depressed at x, while running at x speed, mph at point airbag deployment=you were travelling at unsafe speed ticket/potential loss of license. Not that I'm minimizing the amazing amount of data that can be derived from it, but can be abused.
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If you've got nothing to hide (not driving like an asshole, or breaking the law - speeding) then you've got nothing to worry about....right?!?!?!

Isn't that your logic on all these invasion of privacy matters?

Ohh it's just that Obama is doing this and it's not being implemented to supposedly help hunt down brown boogie men, right? Gotcha.
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[quote name='g5jamz' timestamp='1355409153' post='2044446']
That's for onboard computer diagnostics.
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That's just the 90's example. Most cars have event recorders already installed. GM actually started installing airbag event recorders in the 80's for fear of being sued.

[quote]More than 95 percent of 2013 model passenger cars already carry the “event data recorders,” according to estimates by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.[/quote]

http://www.nextgov.com/emerging-tech/emerging-tech-blog/2012/12/dot-wants-mandate-black-boxes-cars/60126/

If the NHTSA had not come out with this story you would have not known or cared about these recorders. The black box is likely just a standardized version of what is already installed.

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Lt. Gov. Timothy Murray of Massachusetts found out the hard way last year.[/size][/font][/color][color=#333333][font=georgia, 'times new roman', serif][size=4]
He crashed a car he was driving and told police that he was wearing a seatbelt and was not speeding at the time of the crash.[/size][/font][/color][color=#333333][font=georgia, 'times new roman', serif][size=4]
However the black box installed in his car revealed he was actually speeding at 75 miles per hour in a 65 mile per hour zone, before accelerating to more than 100 miles per hour.[/size][/font][/color]
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Yet another ignorant racist statement from another piece of poo (floppin).

Do you all use a script? Given literary freedom to plug in whatever race qualifier you so choose?

As for the black boxes...I'm not for/against them honestly. It's just that it's now going to be a requirement. Governments have also floated the idea of highway taxation based on use. This could be used for that purpose.
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[quote name='g5jamz' timestamp='1355410908' post='2044473']
[b]Yet another ignorant racist statement from another piece of poo (floppin).[/b]

Do you all use a script? Given literary freedom to plug in whatever race qualifier you so choose?

As for the black boxes...I'm not for/against them honestly. It's just that it's now going to be a requirement. Governments have also floated the idea of highway taxation based on use. This could be used for that purpose.
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Nothing I said was racist, you cuntstain. Try again.

Are you seriously insinuating that me calling you out on being all honky-dory with any privacy restricting regulation, so long as it's hunting for muslim terrorists, is racist?
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[quote name='g5jamz' timestamp='1355410908' post='2044473']
Yet another ignorant racist statement from another piece of poo (floppin).

Do you all use a script? Given literary freedom to plug in whatever race qualifier you so choose?

As for the black boxes...I'm not for/against them honestly. It's just that it's now going to be a requirement. Governments have also floated the idea of highway taxation based on use. This could be used for that purpose.
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I think the main abuse people worry about are how insurance companies could use them.

But there are other uses. One company I work with - Getaround - uses a version of it for peer to peer rentals. And I think parents would like to be able to monitor new kid drivers.

Hopefully congress will also legislate who owns the data ultimately and it should be the driver.
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Thanks for neg repping me Happy Panther, I assume it's because I called the cuntstain a cuntstain. I only insulted him because he called me a peice of poo. If you mind, please apply appropriate neg rep to the originator of the name calling.

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[quote name='Floppin' timestamp='1355410068' post='2044464']
If you've got nothing to hide (not driving like an asshole, or breaking the law - speeding) then you've got nothing to worry about....right?!?!?!

Isn't that your logic on all these invasion of privacy matters?

Ohh it's just that Obama is doing this and it's not being implemented to [b]supposedly help hunt down brown boogie men, right?[/b] Gotcha.
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Yes...that's not a racist statement at all Floppin.

And get it right...I called you a [b]racist [/b]piece of poo.

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[quote name='g5jamz' timestamp='1355409961' post='2044460']


Why are you such a racist piece of poo?[/quote]
Because it was in the meeting.

[Quote]Nothing stopped Obama from releasing these regulations prior to the election. Why didn't he.
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Political expediency. (Just a tip, questions don't end with a period.)

Now then why did Republicans make "insuring Obama was a one term president" their top priority instead of creating jobs?

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[quote name='g5jamz' timestamp='1355411991' post='2044501']
Yes...that's not a racist statement at all Floppin.

And get it right...I called you a [b]racist [/b]piece of poo.
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How does insinuating that you are okay with legislation that specifically targets dark skinned muslim boogie men terrorists make me the racist, exactly?

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[quote name='Floppin' timestamp='1355412184' post='2044507']

How does insinuating that you are okay with legislation that specifically targets dark skinned muslim boogie men terrorists make me the racist, exactly?
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All palestinians are not dark skinned...

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[quote name='g5jamz' timestamp='1355412285' post='2044510']
All palestinians are not dark skinned...
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Ohh so it's just Palestinians that you're racist against. Gotcha. Glad you admitted to, and cleared that up.

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[quote name='Floppin' timestamp='1355412328' post='2044511']
Ohh so it's just Palestinians that you're racist against. Gotcha. Glad you admitted to, and cleared that up.
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I think the qualifying "terrorist" portion was enough...but nice attempt to deflect your racist idiocy.

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You're still not explaining how me pointing out that you're okay with legalized racial profiling makes me the racist.

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No clue what the heck you're talking about now.

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Good tactic. Just play dumb.

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Where have I promoted racial profiling based on these new regulations being run through?

Don't pull a CWG.

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[quote name='g5jamz' timestamp='1355413622' post='2044542']
Where have I promoted racial profiling based on these new regulations being run through?

Don't pull a CWG.
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I wasn't talking about these regulations, genius. God you suck at reading comprehension today. I was pointing out the inconsistency of you regarding privacy regulation.

If the restriction of privacy is supposedly geared towards stopping terrorist (see: muslims, or palestinians as you pointed out) then you are all for - Nothing to hide, nothing to fear GO TEAM USA.

But when the danger to privacy might actually affect you and is apparently geared towards EVERYONE, well now it's a problem!

Here's a hint, the restrictions on privacy, no matter the bullshit reason they state, really effects everyone. Privacy is privacy and it's restriction can be abused no matter the cause of it's inception.

But when it's sold as a way to go after a group of people, never mind the fact that it does nothing but promote racial profiling as has been documented THOUSANDS of times. Well that's just all puppies and sunshine for G5.

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Its always good to know that "pulling a CWG" means "pointing out how terrible your arguments are".

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