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Andy Reid: No interest in taking a year off..

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Just so we have some facts here.

Dick Lebeau was the Defensive Coordinator for the Steelers during BILL Cowher's 15 year tenure in Pittsburgh a total of 5 years during two stints with the Steelers.

Also in the AFC North, what is the difference between being 7-9 or 9-7 every year?

Getting your ass beat by the Steelers twice annually. I've never blamed a Head Coach for regularly beating their Division opponents and/or defending your Home Field as it should be.,

You COMPLETELY missed my point.

Cowher's success in Pittsburgh has been similar to Reid's success in Philadelphia.

I am not saying I am for or against either one of them as a potential head coach....both would be good candidates.

My point was that being all over Cowher while dismissing Reid is ridiculous.

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You COMPLETELY missed my point.

Cowher's success in Pittsburgh has been similar to Reid's success in Philadelphia.

Also....go back and look at how bad the AFC North was the first 10 or so years of Cowher's tenure. This was before Baltimore becasue a real threat....and the Browns/Bengals sucked. Kind of like talking about how great Seattle was because they kept winning the NFC West.

I am not saying I am for or against either one of them as a potential head coach....both would be good candidates.

My point was that being all over Cowher while dismissing Reid is ridiculous.

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I know he's not a trendy pick, but I'd love to grab Reid if he still wants to coach. While the Eagles never won the SB, they were a dominant team in a tough division for quite a few years. Pair him with a sharp GM and DC and I think he'd really do a good job.

The only way we'd been in the running is if he wants away from the big market, though.

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yeah reid catches some flack because his west coast system was supposedly wordy and overly complicated but i have no doubt whatsoever that he'd be able to craft an offense that would fit cam like a glove.

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I'm pretty sure we're using west coast offense verbiage, that's why the line struggled initially last year.

i was pretty sure they were using coryell, but i think where the confusion is is that the coryell was the original west coast offense and many of the old guys from the coryell still refer to it as that. the WCO that is mostly thought of by people is the walsh one, not the coryell.

when they said they were running a WCO, they meant what was more commonly known as the coryell because that's where chud and turner come from.

the two verbiages are very different. the coryell is number based and the WCO is just a collection of...i don't know...everything including the kitchen sink. every person's responsibility and every part of the play is laid out in detail. they give the formation, blocking scheme, backfield responsibilities, motion, snap count, etc...each thing has it's own word or number associated with it. teams that still use the WCO are starting to realize that you don't need all that and are switching to a much quicker streamlined verbiage....many times using just one word.

in fact that is pretty much what is being done with most offenses, the are scrapping the lengthy verbiage for their systems in favor of very quick one word play calls that each person will know their responsibility without having to hear everyone else's. which is funny because wasn't that one of the things that cam was criticized for...not being in an offense that had more traditional offensive verbiage and instead had really simple one or two word playcalls without using the huddle? now the league is trending that way.

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Andy Reid..makes John Fox press conferences look informative..just throwing that out there. Plus the first thing he would do is cut Steve Smith since he hates having players in their mid 30's.

People thought "It is what it is" was annoying with Fox. Just wait until they hear "I have to do a better job of putting guys in position to make plays." as the answer to each and every question asked. It's his way of mocking the media.

Reporter: "McCoy sustained a concussion in last weeks game, how long to you expect him to be out?"

Reid: "I have to do a better job of putting guys in position to make plays."

Reporter: "Geno's or Pat's Andy?"

Reid: "I have to do a better job of putting guys in position to make plays but they are both delicious."

Doesn't matter, Andy is headed "home" to San Diego if they finally wake up and get rid of Turner. At least that's where I hope he winds up. Go out there with Rivers and Ryan Matthews and turn that team back into a contender again. Time for him to go in Philly, but I think he will have success wherever he winds up.

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Come on, Andy. Take a year off. Recharge the batteries. Do some fun things like staying far away from Charlotte.

Or tend to his family.

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yeah reid catches some flack because his west coast system was supposedly wordy and overly complicated but i have no doubt whatsoever that he'd be able to craft an offense that would fit cam like a glove.

the offense i like most is the pats "amoeba offense" that kind of mutates into whatever fits their personnel and now they have adopted chip kelly's one word no huddle philosophy.

as far as WCO vs. coryell...i think cam's skill set fits the coryell much better than the WCO, whereas rg3's skill set fits the WCO.

the way the WCO is designed, the QB is naturally going to have a higher completion percentage. it's all built on quick, safe, short, high percentage passes. it's essentially a ball control offense. the only problem is that it takes longer to get downfield, eats up the clock, and can be pretty easily contained by the tampa2.

QBs running the coryell are going to have lower completion percentages because it depends on the QB with a big arm launching missles downfield to make the big play and stretch the field because not only do they have to worry about stopping the big deep pass downfield, they also have to worry about the RB (and in newton's case) the QB running the ball. it's more of a power run game and defenses have to pick their poison.

i think cam's arm and big playmaking ability and nature makes him a much better fit for the coryell. could he run a WCO? maybe, but i don't think you would be using much of his natural talent. he's a guy that takes advantage of situations and in the WCO, there's really not much room for that. cam's a guy that you want improvising...that can be trusted to do so for the most part and i don't think he'd have that freedom to do so in a WCO. it's very confining and very exact requiring precision in every aspect and that's just not cam, nor do i think that's what he needs to be. he's a gunslinger. a big playmaker and with that comes a lot of risk, but it works. it isn't pretty and it doesn't make for good comp % and even makes the QB look sloppy and inefficient, but it's productive.

throughout his career, considering he stays with that system, rg3 is always going to look cleaner and more precise than newton because of the way he's used and the offense they run. cam, while he is and will continue to improve his comp % and accuracy, his numbers are never going to be as clean as rg3, but his production will stay just as high or higher, esp. if he doesn't have some OC trying to fit newton into a box (like chud did most of the season). you give him the freedom to make big plays and he'll make some mistakes along the way. there will be a lot of dropped passes and missed targets, but he'll also be making those big plays that will bring about big wins....again, provided he doesn't have a coaching staff that gets soft at the end and gives away leads by giving the ball to the other team and then giving them an opportunity to blow your D away.

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i know and i know they switched to a spread to accommodate Vick, but i'm not sure how happy he's been with that and if he'd be willing to switch again.

This, especially when you factor in his replacement of the WCO seems to have cost him his job this year. Who would want to continue getting away from what worked for them to what got them fired?

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this thread has taught me one valuable lesson, press conferences > wins..

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