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Watching TNF with the Iggles hosting the Bungles they kept talking about how Dalton was only the third QB to ever throw for 20 TD's in each of his first two seasons. (P Manning and Marino are the other two)

Cam's name was never mentioned despite only needing 4 more passing TD's to join that small group.

So, I'm really hoping Cam can throw for 4 more TD's over the next 3 games and add his name to yet another accomplishment so few others have achieved.

Too bad as long as its Cam the only number they'll focus on will be the W-L.
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i think the next few weeks that cam could catch up with dalton.

next week they've got the TD stingy steelers and the ravens aren't exactly loose with passing TDs (even tho they're giving up the yardage.)'.

meanwhile, we've got the 25th, 27th, and 31st worst passing D' s at giving up TDs.
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Records carry more value when they are accomplished while winning.

Andy and AJ got snubbed last year for what they did. They deserved more credit for being 2 rookies who pretty much took their team to the playoffs.

They are exactly the 2 guys I hoped the Panthers would have gotten. So much class in the post game interview. Very likeable guys.
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I wouldn't trade Cam for Andy in any scenario. AJ is awesome, but I don't think you're giving their very good defense much credit.
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[quote name='Jackofalltrades' timestamp='1355463127' post='2045477']
I wouldn't trade Cam for Andy in any scenario. AJ is awesome, but I don't think you're giving their very good defense much credit.
[/quote]consider who it is you' re talking to.
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3 games against bad pass D's and he's only, what, 4 away?

he'll get it.

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He'll pass for 4 on the saints D...his season total will be 22-24

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Take A.J. Green away, Andy is poo. Take Smith away, Cam is still producing.
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chargers have given up 9 passing TDs in the last 4 games.

raiders have given up 8 in that same time and so have the saints.

i like cam's chances.
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I think a couple Smitty TDs in San Diego are a real possibilty.
Be great if Cam and Smitty could account for those 4 needed TDs just by themsleves the next 3 games.

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[quote name='rayzor' timestamp='1355464175' post='2045485']
consider who it is you' re talking to.
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I second that

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[quote name='Ivan The Awesome' timestamp='1355465816' post='2045502']
Take A.J. Green away, Andy is poo. Take Smith away, Cam is still producing.
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Based on what evidence or logic? Cam's not produced with Smith this year. Even after his recent great games, he's still only got 16 passing touchdowns for the season. Andy's got 21, tied for 5th in the NFL as of right now.

Cam benefits just as much from having Steve Smith as any quarterback would from an elite receiver. Go break it down and see which QB got the most yards after catch- total and per attempt- from their receivers last year. Nevermind the fact Smith's got much more experience than AJ. Andy is just a better game manager and understands the basics. You can win games with him and make the playoffs. Cam's still yet to learn that.

Marvin's bringing Andy along the right away. He let him manage the game and will let him open up this year. He's got more passing yards, more passing touchdowns, etc this year. He had an 80.4 Passer rating last year. He's a 90.3 this year. He's improved since his rookie season. Cam's regressed up until about 2 games ago, but you can't reason with Cam homers who think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

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Don't agree with the notion that cam has regressed, higher passer rating compared to last year now with no running game and a shaky o-line

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[quote name='BigBeast52' timestamp='1355473470' post='2045537']
Don't agree with the notion that cam has regressed, higher passer rating compared to last year now with no running game and a shaky o-line
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That was just in the past 3 games which he's put up huge numbers and helped bring it up. It doesn't wipe away how he's performed in the other 11 where he averaged close to 70 during that span. He played like poo. He's just now getting consistent, but there's no pressure anymore. It's almost a mirror image of how we ended last season. Beat 1 good team in the Texans and a string of terrible teams. This time he had a great game against Atlanta, but the others were against the Chiefs, Eagles and have the Chargers and Saints left....

I can't put any weight on that. The only thing I can take from this Chargers game is whether our locker room supports Rivera. If they bust their ass for him, they still like him and maybe a reason to stay. If they roll over in front of his old team...

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[quote name='ReturnOfPFFL' timestamp='1355472885' post='2045536']




Based on what evidence or logic?
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Think about the stats you posted. Cam has 16 passing TDs. Smith has 2 receiving TDs. That's only 12.5% of the pie.

You brought up another point. Dalton is a game manager. Cam isn't.
In the redzone, Dalton passes. Cam runs through people. It's 6 points either way you look at it.

lol @ comparing passing TD numbers. Let's look at total touchdown accountability. Cam averages 2 a game for his career. 58 in 29 career games. How does Dalton look?
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[quote name='ReturnOfPFFL' timestamp='1355474286' post='2045539']



That was just in the past 3 games which he's put up huge numbers and helped bring it up. It doesn't wipe away how he's performed in the other 11 where he averaged close to 70 during that span.
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The games where we ran the read option as our base offense? Really? Now I see why the entire board laughs at you.
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[quote name='Mr. Belding' timestamp='1355475372' post='2045541']
The games where we ran the read option as our base offense? Really? Now I see why the entire board laughs at you.
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Wait are you saying Cam fumbles the ball instead of extending the drive, or throws ducks in the ball in the ground in the endzone because we ran the spread option? He chokes late in the game because of the spread option? Interesting...

How come the spread option and read option plays work for RG3, Russel Wilson, Colin Kaepernick worked for Cam when he plays good? The dumbest argument I have ever heard on this board is that Cam's difficulties have come out of running a style of offense that are helping rookie QB's put up passer ratings of over 100 religiously in the NFL. That's why the entire board laughs. They have no fuging clue what they are talking about.

Keep thinking the fact we are playing terrible teams has nothing to do with his sudden improvement.


2011 De Ja Vu.

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The option isn't their base offense. Other teams use it situationally. Ever wonder why those teams are using it in the first place?

I'm not sure what a duck in the ball is, but I would advise you not to carry popcorn to the park.

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Another overlooked stat for Cam is that he's 23 years old and 2 years younger than Andy Dalton and only 2 or 3 months older than Andrew Luck. In terms of experience, he is so far behind both of them that it's ridiculous to even compare the two. Cam played ONE SEASON of football at Auburn and one season at basically what was an extension of high school football at Blinn CC. How he comes directly into the NFL and starts breaking records is..... phenomenal to say the least. Guys like Dalton and Luck played 4 years in college with a few thousand more live snaps and defensive reads. Cam bounced from place to place and has played in literally FIVE different systems from high school, Florida, Blinn CC, Auburn, and now Carolina.

Think about that when you compare him to these polished, pristine, seasoned young quarterbacks he is being compared with.
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In week 1, Pilares les the team in rushing with a whopping 5 yards.
Cam has since led the team in rushing on 6 different occasions and had our only 100 yard rushing performance of the system.

Yeah, the system is fine.
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[quote name='Mr. Belding' timestamp='1355476059' post='2045544']
The option isn't their base offense. Other teams use it situationally. Ever wonder why those teams are using it in the first place?

I'm not sure what a duck in the ball is, but I would advise you not to carry popcorn to the park.
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We run a variation of the spread option based on the Air Coryell which includes a variety of option plays. Other teams are copying what we started last year. The Redskins run it so religiously, it could be considered their base offense. 49ers are going in that direction with Colin. Russel Wilson's biggest touchdowns and pass completions come out of the spread option. Same for RG3. It's why he has these wiiiide open receivers.

Cam's 72 yard touchdown, longest of his career came out of the spread option.

To move away from that when other dual rush QB's are tearing up the NFL, is pretty idiotic at this point and I'm sorry but the ones calling out for us to start putting Cam in I formation on a regular basis are just absolutely laughable. Cam just needs to learn how to "read" the defense when running the read option so he stops falling into defensive traps when they disguise coverage. The problem's not the option. It gives offenses a HUGE advantage. It's his ability to read it on the fly then make the right decision quickly.

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There is ALWAYS a reason to knock down Cam. ALWAYS. If you look hard enough, you will find a reason why ... he ain't that good. It only took Manning 7+ years to get to the SB. We are expecting Cam to win it ... this year, otherwise, his career has been a failure. Plenty of great QBs have never even made it there ...
Cut Cam some slack, would you?
The Panthers need to do the right thing and build their team the right way. Long term success is a marathon, not a sprint.
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[quote name='Mr. Belding' timestamp='1355476568' post='2045546']
In week 1, Pilares les the team in rushing with a whopping 5 yards.
Cam has since led the team in rushing on 6 different occasions and had our only 100 yard rushing performance of the system.

Yeah, the system is fine.
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Dude understand this. In the read option the QUARTERBACK, which is Cam Newton, ultimately decides to keep it or hand it off. Ask him why that is. He has to ultimately decide if it's a good idea to hand the ball off to your running back. If he will have the lanes and running room based on the defense that's coming at him.

If he's having an easier time with standard plays, it's because the decision making is often pre-determined. He just needs to go through his progressions. It's less off of his plate, not because there is something wrong with the spread option.

Do you honestly believe a defense has an easier time defending 6 offensive players, one of them being your rushing quarterback, with many more possibilities on each play rather than 5 with a stationary QB? Do you think it's better to keep Cam in the pocket longer, behind a shitty O line?

Chud's not the idiot the majority of this fan base thinks he is. Sorry, but It's the [i]other [/i]way around.

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[quote name='ReturnOfPFFL' timestamp='1355477760' post='2045549']
Dude understand this. In the read option the QUARTERBACK, which is Cam Newton, ultimately decides to keep it or hand it off. Ask him why that is. He has to ultimately decide if it's a good idea to hand the ball off to your running back. If he will have the lanes and running room based on the defense that's coming at him.

If he's having an easier time with standard plays, it's because the decision making is often pre-determined. He just needs to go through his progressions. It's less off of his plate, not because there is something wrong with the spread option.

Do you honestly believe a defense has an easier time defending 6 offensive players, one of them being your rushing quarterback, with many more possibilities on each play rather than 5 with a stationary QB? Do you think it's better to keep Cam in the pocket longer, behind a shitty O line?

[b]Chud's not the idiot the majority of this fan base thinks he is. Sorry, but It's the [i]other [/i]way around.[/b]
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[quote name='ReturnOfPFFL' timestamp='1355476654' post='2045547']
We run a variation of the spread option based on the Air Coryell which includes a variety of option plays. Other teams are copying what we started last year. The Redskins run it so religiously, it could be considered their base offense. 49ers are going in that direction with Colin. Russel Wilson's biggest touchdowns and pass completions come out of the spread option. Same for RG3. It's why he has these wiiiide open receivers.

Cam's 72 yard touchdown, longest of his career came out of the spread option.

To move away from that when other dual rush QB's are tearing up the NFL, is pretty idiotic at this point and I'm sorry but the ones calling out for us to start putting Cam in I formation on a regular basis are just absolutely laughable. [b]Cam just needs to learn how to "read" the defense when running the read option so he stops falling into defensive traps when they disguise coverage.[/b] The problem's not the option. It gives offenses a HUGE advantage. It's his ability to read it on the fly then make the right decision quickly.
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If Cam didn't know how to read the defense from the option and Chud had him run it anyway then that would make Chud an idiot.

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