Who said I think all spread option offenses are the same? Why are you putting words in my mouth? However, they are all the same in concept. You, oth, believe we're actually running the Air Coryell.
Rusell Wilson, Colin Kaepernick, Cam Newton, RG3, The Golden Calf of Bristol(last year) are all running a lot of spread option plays. Cam and RG3 run it religiously.
Spread option is a type of offense, the read option is a type of play. Just because there is read option plays in an offense, that doesn't mean you are running a spread option offense.
For example, you can run the read option in with two tight ends on or at the line of scrimmage. Or even with a fullback as a lead blocker and a tight end on the line of scrimmage. Or even a bunch formation. Those are not spread formations.
You seem to think that just because a team plays from the shotgun, pistol, or has read option plays, that means they are running a spread option offense. That is false. We are running AC passing routes and running an AC offense, even if it is out of the shotgun or even though we incorporate read option plays into the AC offense.
So you are talking about intermediate passing game, not the deep ball. OK, nobody was arguing about this. The claim was Andy can't throw it deep. That's what we are arguing about.
The stat is called % deep. Not % intermediate. That is for a reason.
Of course a QB in the WCO is going to have a higher percentage of passes under 10 yards and a lower percentage of intermediate passes. It's made to simulate and complement the run game not get 1st downs or yardage on every pass attempt. You pass short to set up the run. That's the idea behind the offense. That doesn't mean the dude can't throw it deep. But if you are only looking at attempts, it only says what they are being asked to do. You still have to look at completion % to see if they are any damn good at it. And you should still check to see who they are doing it against(again, Andy's facing Pittsburgh and the Ravens twice a year).
And comparative to the rest of the league, Dalton isn't very good at it. I would say the only people he is performing better than is Kolb, Skelton, Gabbert, Bradford, and Weeden.
The WCO, has always required accurate, precise quarterbacks with exquisite footwork and a high ability to read defenses with a quick release. You have to be almost robotically consistent to run it right and it's one of the hardest offenses to master, so the idea that somehow running the WCO is now a "dink and dunk" unimpressive offense, is just something that makes you feel better about Cam Newton. And that is what's clear to me. Joe Montana ran the west coast offense. Tom Brady started out in the WCO. Steve Young. Aaron Rodgers. Even Bret Farve.
There are a lot of QBs that are great that ran a lot of different offenses. The WCO can make terrible QBs like Alex Smith seem palatable. It is a good offense. I don't have an issue with a WCO, but it is a dink and dunk offense that usually carries with it a higher completion percentage. Again Alex Smith has a 70% completion percentage. Doesn't mean he is the best and most accurate QB in the NFL. Or that he is a WCO master. That is also why he got benched despite completing 70% of his passes.
The fact is the WCO is associated with an elite class of QB's, and it requires a certain level quarterback to even attempt to run it, and that also has something to do with the high completion % associated with it.
And that is just a bunch of hyperbolic bullshit.
And you know what's not impressive to me for a passing QB? 16 passing touchdowns in week 14 and 2 4th quarter comebacks over the span of 29 games most of which were lost by less than 7 points. Or how about the fact the 2 minute offense is in danger of extinction in Charlotte?
Are you impressed with that?
And I think that is both a fair criticism and very misleading. You aren't going to have as many 4th quarter comebacks as some other guys when your team just tied an NFL record for most consecutive games without a 4th quarter shutout.
For instance, in all of these 4th quarter comebacks that Mr Luck has had have been great and he deserves credit for those.
But to give perspective to it and how it related to the Panthers lets look at how many points teams scored in the 4th quarter against
the Colts in those comebacks and look at Luck's game winning drives and provide some context to each.
Minn- game winning drive was a good one, but it took a 53 yard field goal at the end of regulation. Not saying that to discredit Luck here, just that his kicker made a long one to help him out. Panthers have no such kicker.
GB- 7 points allowed in 4th. Nothing to say about this one except Luck made great plays and won the game.
Tenn (game 1)- 3 points allowed in 4th. Luck tied the game with 3:24
left in the gaame. Defense held to go to overtime
Miami- Luck had the game winning drive by putting the Colts up by 3 with 5:58
to play. Defense held the lead
Buffalo- this wasn't a comeback or a game winning drive. Just wanted to note that Colt's defense held a 7 point lead the last 11 minutes of that game
Detroit- held them to 3 points in the 4th quarter. Luck made some great plays in this one also and deserves all the credit. But it certainly helps when your defense shuts the other team down in the fourth quarter
Tenn (game #2)- 4th quarter comeback. 53 yard field goal give Colts the lead with 6:00
to play. Defense held that lead.
So let me ask you this question. How may times have we either had a one score lead or taken the lead in the 4th quarter with 3+ minutes left to play in a game and how many of those games did the defense hold that lead??
Because the Colts defense did it 4 times. 3 of which went down as 4th quarter comebacks and GWD for Luck
We lost those types of games against ATL, Dallas, Chicago, and Tampa.
When have we had a kicker that could get us a 53 yarder when we needed one. We didn't even attempt it against Chi and we missed another one against Tampa that would have iced that game.
If we hold the Dallas, ATL, and Chi games that would add 3 4th quarter comebacks and two more GWD for Cam.
BTW have you ever seen such a collection of garbage teams in a 9-4 team's win column. 1 quality win and that was at home after a BYE. But I digress.
My point is that while I do think it is a fair criticism of Cam, it is also a stat that is wildly misleading as Luck's defense had timely stops with a lead in the 4th and ours has not. The Colts also happen to have a kicker that is a difference maker and has been a major asset to Andrew Luck, we have had no such kicker these last 2 years.