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#496 CCS

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 07:31 AM

Because the ones like me who have conceal carry permits obey the myriad of laws, like, no guns in a mall, or a movie theater. Ever see the signs on doors to every entrance in society that has the gun inside the circle with a mark down through it? That means guys like me will leave em in the car. We obey the law.

Now as for criminals?


I've honestly never seen those signs. But I don't carry weapons so I've probably never really paid attention. Like I said though, I really think that the solution is having TRAINED and armed security. It's a proven fact that the biggest deterent of crime is target hardening. A person isn't going to go into a mall and try to go on a massacre if there's armed security and metal detectors there.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 07:37 AM

I don't want to have to go through metal detectors to get to bath and body works because some paranoid slack jaw doesn't want gun regulations

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 07:45 AM

No one wants to disarm you. (Well maybe LP) Be prepared to register your guns annually, be taxed by the type of gun, and have increased insurance rates.

No one has given me a reason still to own an AR15/AK47 besides....but I wants it

PS how do you know gun control will not work? Not like you have references to back up that claim....well you could point to England :)


Because Im a gun enthusiast. I love everything from muskets to said AKs/ ARs. I enjoy the burn my eye gets from the gas operated action of my AR. It's great.



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Posted 17 December 2012 - 07:59 AM

Btw...kudos to my daughters elementary school and the Buncombe County Sheriffs Office for the massive amount of police presence this morning as we walked her into school. Deputies at the bottom entrance to the school, as well as the front door, and even inside the school.

Made my wife and I feel a lot better. I have a feeling there will be a copycat somewhere unfortunately...

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 08:02 AM

I'm on neither side of the gun debate but it always humors me that the pro gun people claim that they need their guns to protect themselves. Well if that's true then why do people never whip out their piece and shoot the guy who is going on mass murder sprees? fug, I can only think of 2 self defense killings by guns in my life. For some reason the pro gun people think that if someone has a gun pointed in their face they're going to be like Clint Eastwood or some poo.


It happens all the time. Hell, you remember that guy who shot up the Oregon Mall? Want to know something that the media refused to cover?

http://www.liveleak....=551_1355684331

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 08:17 AM

You have always wanted to take away the firearms


nope

and just see this tragedy as a "now is our opportunity" moment.


nope

Same with the dems that will be howling from DC in the next day or so. Some have already said it. "Let's use this opportunity" to do what they have wanted to do all along.


don't you guys say this poo after every single one of these massacres? and what actually happens?

Disarming the legal, peaceful people in a society will not lead to the utopia you envision.


you're battling a straw man, so it's no wonder that kurb cosigned this post

Of course neither will Obamacare, but hey, seeing is believing.


hey you finally said something correct; obamacare is in fact poo policy which further entrenches worthless middlemen (you know them as private insurers). let's see that puts you at 20% for the post; not great by any means, but it's definitely going to improve your average

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 08:24 AM

And as far as Zod, Cantrell and the rest. Your views have not changed a bit from this tragedy. You have always wanted to take away the firearms and just see this tragedy as a "now is our opportunity" moment. Same with the dems that will be howling from DC in the next day or so. Some have already said it. "Let's use this opportunity" to do what they have wanted to do all along.

Disarming the legal, peaceful people in a society will not lead to the utopia you envision. Of course neither will Obamacare, but hey, seeing is believing.


News Flash: Stirs and the rest of the people running to Wal-Mart to stock up on hundreds of rounds of ammo and a few more firearms have little to fear from the federal government.

Who is seriously advocating to take away your firearms? This issue is even more of a red herring than the "War on Christmas". Trust me, you can lower your blood pressure and live a lot longer by not believing everything you see on FOX.

A few realitively non threating things that should happen but won't:

All gun sales/transfers should include a background check (40%.of all gun sales currently do not).
All gun owners should attend firearms safety courses prior to initial purchase and annually there after.
All gun owners should be required by law to secure their weapons when they are not in their immediate possession.
All gun owners should be required to carry liability insurance for situations like Sandy Hook.
The American public should stop being expected to foot the bill for the exorbitant costs associated with irresponsible gun owners and gun manufacturers. (Socialism).

None of these things will happen because our politicians are still greedily sucking from the bosom of the gun manufacturer's lobby (NRA). It will likely take a lot more death and destruction before the majority of Americans people start to demand meaningful gun reforms. Predictably, this site will be back to normal in no time discussing alien abductions, shadowy conspiracies, and sky gods while the killing of thousands of innocent people continues unabated.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 08:29 AM

News Flash: Stirs and the rest of the people running to Wal-Mart to stock up on hundreds of rounds of ammo and a few more firearms have little to fear from the federal government.

Who is seriously advocating to take away your firearms? This issue is even more of a red herring than the "War on Christmas". Trust me, you can lower your blood pressure and live a lot longer by not believing everything you see on FOX.

A few realitively non threating things that should happen but won't:

All gun sales/transfers should include a background check (40%.of all gun sales currently do not).
All gun owners should attend firearms safety courses prior to initial purchase and annually there after.
All gun owners should be required by law to secure their weapons when they are not in their immediate possession.
All gun owners should be required to carry liability insurance for situations like Sandy Hook.
The American public should stop being expected to foot the bill for the exorbitant costs associated with irresponsible gun owners and gun manufacturers. (Socialism).

None of these things will happen because our politicians are still greedily sucking from the bosom of the gun manufacturers lobby (NRA). It will likely take a lot more death and destruction before the majority of Americans people start to demand meaningful gun reforms. Predictably, this site will be back to normal in no time discussing alien abductions, shadowy conspiracies, and sky gods while the killing of thousands of innocent people continue unabated.



Newtown school massacre reignites gun control debate as politicians call for a law 'to get weapons of war off the streets'.

Barack Obama is under intensifying pressure to take the lead in a campaign for greater gun control following the Newtown massacre of young children.

The mayor of New York and leading US senators pressed the president on Sunday to tell Congress to reinstate a ban on assault weapons which are common to almost all recent mass shootings in the US, including Friday's tragedy in Connecticut in which 20 children, aged six and seven, and seven adults were killed.

Michael Bloomberg, the New York mayor, praised the president for his tearful reaction to the deaths but called on Obama, who has faced accusations of political cowardice over his failure to tackle gun control following other massacres, to make the issue a priority.

"It's time for the president to stand up and lead and tell the country what we should do. Not go to Congress and say: what do you guys want to do? This should be his number one agenda. He's the president of the United States and if he does nothing during his second term, something like 48,000 Americans will be killed with illegal guns. That's is roughly the number of Americans killed during the whole Vietnam war," said Bloomberg, on NBC's Meet the Press.

The mayor called for a renewal of the assault weapons ban that president Bill Clinton pushed through Congress in 1994, which also included restrictions on the size of bullet magazines. The Bush administration allowed it to lapse a decade later. Police say that the Newtown killer, Adam Lanza, used a semiautomatic rifle and two handguns.

"I don't think the founding fathers had the idea that every man, woman and child could carry an assault weapon," said Bloomberg. "I think the president through his leadership could get a bill like that through Congress, but at least he's got to try."

Senator Dianne Feinstein, an influential Democrat, said she intended to introduce legislation to reinstate the assault weapons ban on the first day the new Congress sits, in January.

"It will ban the sale, the transfer, the importation and the possession, not retroactively, but prospectively," she said "The purpose of this bill is to get... weapons of war off the streets."

Feinstein added that she is looking to Obama to make a stand. "He is going to have a bill to lead on," she said.

The White House on Sunday said the president supported the reinstatement of a federal ban on assault weapons - a commitment he made during his 2008 election campaign but has not pushed since. Gun control advocates also say Obama has shied away from using the powers he has to restrict the import of semiautomatic weapons and magazines that hold large numbers of bullets.

Connecticut senator Richard Blumenthal, a former federal prosecutor and state attorney general for 20 years, backed Feinstein.

"I'm hearing from the community, as well as my colleagues in law enforcement, we need to do something," he said. "And I'm hearing from my colleagues in the Senate around the country, some in states like Wisconsin and Colorado, where there have been similar horrific, horrible tragedies, maybe not involving children with this kind of incomprehensible kind of circumstance, but we need to do something, at the very least, perhaps, about the high-capacity magazines that were used in this crime. I intend to talk about it on the floor of the United States Senate perhaps as early as this week."

The debate has also widened to include questions about treatment of the mentally ill, another factor common to most recent mass killings in America. Joe Lieberman, another Connecticut senator, called for a national commission to examine America's gun laws and mental health system as well as the role violent video games and movies have in mass shootings.

"We've got to hear the screams of these kids and see their blood to keep this from happening again," he said.

Pro-gun rights politicians have gone to ground. NBC's Meet the Press said it had invited the 31 senators, Republican and Democrat, who openly oppose stricter gun control laws to appear on the programme with Bloomberg and Feinstein. None accepted.


http://www.guardian....ressure-newtown

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 08:30 AM

I don't want to have to go through metal detectors to get to bath and body works because some paranoid slack jaw doesn't want gun regulations


You wouldn't like that? If you have nothing to hide....

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 08:38 AM

Newtown school massacre reignites gun control debate as politicians call for a law 'to get weapons of war off the streets'.



http://www.guardian....ressure-newtown


So what? To most Democrats outside of New York City and a few of the larger metropolitan areas, gun reform is still the equivalent of touching the third rail. Any reform will be little more than window dressing at best. It will certainly not prevent Stirs and his friends from stocking up on enough arms to successfully overthrow a small Central American Banana Republic.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 08:41 AM

So what? To most Democrats outside of a few New York and a few of the larger cities gun reform is still the equivalent of touching the third rail. Any reform will be little more than window dressing. It will certainly not prevent Stirs and his friends from stocking up on enough arms to successfully overthrow a small Central American Banana Republic.


so what if they won't actually enact meaningful policy? they're going to talk about it! won't you please think of the gun nuts? they've got feelings too you know

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 08:52 AM

so what if they won't actually enact meaningful policy? they're going to talk about it! won't you please think of the gun nuts? they've got feelings too you know


Yes, I have recently been told by Stirs that I am insensitive.

Looks like a possible New Year's Resolution!

Now if only the rest of the commie pinko socialist libs in American society would fall in line and realize conspiracy gun nuts have feeling too!

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 09:30 AM

It happens all the time. Hell, you remember that guy who shot up the Oregon Mall? Want to know something that the media refused to cover?

http://www.liveleak....=551_1355684331


I'm not really sure how the guy stopped the shooter since he said he didn't even fire. Were they implying that the shooter saw the concealed carrier and then killed himself before the other guy could shoot him?

either way i'm not against guys like him carrying weapons since he seems pretty sane and didn't just whip out his gun and start shooting wildly. One major step would be requiring mental health exams along with the current background checks. But still, as I said before anyone can go to a flea market and if you have the money someone will sell you a gun. It's really a deep problem that has no ready solution.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 09:33 AM

Btw...kudos to my daughters elementary school and the Buncombe County Sheriffs Office for the massive amount of police presence this morning as we walked her into school. Deputies at the bottom entrance to the school, as well as the front door, and even inside the school.

Made my wife and I feel a lot better. I have a feeling there will be a copycat somewhere unfortunately...


Apparently that happened here in New Hanover County as well. My wife, who is an elem school teacher, texted me and said that uniformed sheriff deputies were at their school this morning during drop off time.

It's probably just a PR thing, but I think it's a good idea to calm and reassure everyone.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 11:34 AM

http://www.telegraph...ll-Of-Duty.html

The Connecticut school massacre gunman Adam Lanza spent hours playing violent video games such as Call Of Duty in a windowless bunker, according to an interview with a plumber who worked at the family home.




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