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#31 rayzor

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:30 PM

I just don't want an Oregon offense here. We obviously see what Cam can do when we limit the read option college bullcrap. When we run the ball and use play action (traditional) Cam is a beast and we put up points. I'm afraid that Chip would bring his scheme here and we would have a Chud type problem again...

what makes you think that kelly is trapped/locked into that read option stuff and that he wouldn't adapt?

he's already said he would and those who have worked with him said that he adapts what he does to the personnel he has.

i've said it before, the problem with chud was that he tried locking newton and the offense into some new creative mold where he should have just used an adaptable offense like he did last year...which is what kelly does.

But how would Kelly, who runs anything but a typical pro-style system, make his offense work in the NFL?

Kelly says he’d make it work just fine.

In an interview with KJR in Seattle, Kelly said that good coaches adapt their systems to the type of players they have, and that he could adapt his own spread offense to work in the NFL.

No one can be married to one thing, because it’s all personnel-driven,” Kelly said, via SportsRadioInterviews.com. “It’s like the Denver Broncos. What John Fox did in Denver with The Golden Calf of Bristol was outstanding because he looked at what he had for a player and said, ‘Hey, we’re going to run this.’ Now, all of a sudden, they have Peyton Manning and they’re not going to run the same plays. . . . It’s a personnel-driven game and I think the coaches that are the best at it can adapt their systems to the NFL.”

The Buccaneers’ personnel would seem to suit Kelly’s offense reasonably well, as Josh Freeman is a mobile quarterback who can make plays with his feet as well as his arm, and LeGarratte Blount played in Kelly’s offense at Oregon. So from an Xs and Os perspective, Kelly might not have needed to make radical changes. That may be one reason that coaching the Bucs is something Kelly says he very seriously considered.
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From a game strategy perspective, Kelly might have been the most unconventional coaching choice in NFL history: Kelly does things his own way on game day, ranging from the way he goes for two far more often than other coaches to the way he calls trick plays and deep passes in situations when other coaches play it safe. At the college level, Kelly runs a football team unlike anything the NFL has ever seen.
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he will have his own slant on things that will be different than most coaches in the league, but i can promise you that it won't be the exact same thing he does in oregon. the no huddle hurry up offense will probably be there as will his aggressive game management and it will be a spread of some kind, but it won't be the same thing.

he diagnoses what defenses does and then changes his play calling to take advantage of weaknesses they present and he allows the QB to make those calls on the line regularly.

chud was just to inflexible in what he was doing and was unwilling to deviate from his original plan. it wasn't the scheme that was the problem. it was the play-calling and game management.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:35 PM

Didnt watch the video. Would like the hire.

Brilliant offensive mind? Check.

High remarks from NFL scouts? Check

Youthful, but with HCing experience? Check

Willing to snap at stupid college students on camera for being little perverts? Check.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:46 PM

Stev e Spurrier 2.0

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:55 PM

Stev e Spurrier 2.0



This is an unbelievably stupid comment.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:59 PM

Not buying it.

What GM worth a crap would want to come here without being able to hire his own guy?

(assuming there even is a head coach opening, which there may not be)


But... but... it is Nawookie the best in the biz. ;)

i never understood why you went to such lengths to defend that guy before the draft two years ago. But what done is done,

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:01 PM

I love the quick tempo offense he uses. Teams kill us with tempo repeatedly and I'd love to be able to do the same at some point.

Kelly and Reid are two of my hopefuls, which means it's down to Zimmer and Mike McCoy unfortunately.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:02 PM

what makes you think that kelly is trapped/locked into that read option stuff and that he wouldn't adapt?

he's already said he would and those who have worked with him said that he adapts what he does to the personnel he has.

i've said it before, the problem with chud was that he tried locking newton and the offense into some new creative mold where he should have just used an adaptable offense like he did last year...which is what kelly does.
he will have his own slant on things that will be different than most coaches in the league, but i can promise you that it won't be the exact same thing he does in oregon. the no huddle hurry up offense will probably be there as will his aggressive game management and it will be a spread of some kind, but it won't be the same thing.

he diagnoses what defenses does and then changes his play calling to take advantage of weaknesses they present and he allows the QB to make those calls on the line regularly.

chud was just to inflexible in what he was doing and was unwilling to deviate from his original plan. it wasn't the scheme that was the problem. it was the play-calling and game management.


Wait.. he complimented John Fox on adjusting to player personnel?!?!? Next please. I kid I kid :)

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:08 PM

Wait.. he complimented John Fox on adjusting to player personnel?!?!? Next please. I kid I kid :)

yeah, that part bugged me and i think he gives fox and mccoy more credit than they deserve, but the principle is still sound. adapt what you do to who you have and what you can make work.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:09 PM

With someone as tempo dependent as Cam is I could really see him thriving in this type of offense. Not to mention the game of professional football is changing to an offensive game. It will not be rare to have 5000 yd passers anymore. Defenses are handicapped and we'd be smart to take a look at a coach that's trying to take advantage.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:09 PM

I love the quick tempo offense he uses. Teams kill us with tempo repeatedly and I'd love to be able to do the same at some point.

Kelly and Reid are two of my hopefuls, which means it's down to Zimmer and Mike McCoy unfortunately.

gag i hope not.

mr. scot is going to absolutely LOVE that you lumped zimmer with mccoy, though. lol

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:12 PM

But... but... it is Nawookie the best in the biz. ;)

i never understood why you went to such lengths to defend that guy before the draft two years ago. But what done is done,


I defended him mostly because the attacks on him were ignorant.

The claims that he was racist were absolute stupid crap. Nawrocki had planty of positive reports on black QBs and plenty of negative reports on white ones. He printed the reports on Newton because that's what people told him, and other than the 'fake smile' comment (which came from we'll never know who) his negatives on Newton were nearly identical to his negatives on Clausen. Of course, his positives on Newton were a lot better.

I've read his scouting reports for years and they've been very good, and pretty accurate. Is he 100% right? Nope. No draftnik is, but he's been better than a lot of others.

Now, on this particular topic do I think he's right? No, I don't. Frankly, I think he should stick to draft analysis and leave the rumor mill to others who are better at it.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:14 PM

I am going to be up front and honest about how I view Chip Kelly as a Panthers coach and give you a glimpse into my future:

#1 I don't really want Chip Kelly and I am skeptical that his offense will work in the NFL

#2 If we do hire Chip Kelly, I will instantaneously drink the Kool Aid and call everyone dumb who thinks his offense won't work in the NFL because it has never been truly attempted before so you can't know if it will work or not.

#3 In year one while his offense is struggling I will talk about how hard it is to learn a new offense and that it is a process that will take time

#4 As his offense continues to struggle in year 2 I will become indifferent about the whole thing and rarely post about it

#5 When his offense continues to struggle I will instantaneously turn on him and bump old threads referring to #1 and say 'I never wanted him in the first place"

#6 If the offense ends up being dynamic and we start winning games and become awesome I will bump old threads referring to #2 and say "See I told you it could work"

Huddle strategery, years in advance ;)

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:19 PM

And to be clear, not a fan of Kelly as Panthers head coach.

Long held preference for guys that have worked their way up in the pro game. Yes, there are examples of successes and failures on both sides of the coin, but I think the transition from college to pro is tougher than that from coordinator/assistant to head coach.

Where I believe we failed with Rivera is the lack of anyone with head coaching experience on staff in order to help him with learning the job.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:20 PM

With someone as tempo dependent as Cam is I could really see him thriving in this type of offense. Not to mention the game of professional football is changing to an offensive game. It will not be rare to have 5000 yd passers anymore. Defenses are handicapped and we'd be smart to take a look at a coach that's trying to take advantage.

this is what i was hoping we'd do all along with cam. get him in that high tempo offense.

i think the thing that will make it work in the NFL is the unrelenting nature and the mixing it up constantly. teams have no ability to adjust and if you are running practices at the same tempo you do in games then it's only natural that you'd be outlasting and just wearing down opposing defenses.

unless you are working at that tempo all the time you aren't going to be able to keep up with teams that do. and with them going no huddle there's no time for substitutions. no time to catch their breath. they snap the ball so quickly that defenses barely have time to get set and the QB is able to make a quick call on the line to take advantage of what they see and it's doubtful that defenses would be able to disguise what they do very often.

it's that whole philosophy that gets me excited.

to be honest, i'd be fine with someone else than kelly though he is by far my favorite candidate. the main thing i want is an aggressive system that keeps a fast tempo throughout the game. i mean if the pats and broncos can run the no huddle that much and keep going at that pace there's no reason that a young team like ours couldn't.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:23 PM

I am going to be up front and honest about how I view Chip Kelly as a Panthers coach and give you a glimpse into my future:

#1 I don't really want Chip Kelly and I am skeptical that his offense will work in the NFL

#2 If we do hire Chip Kelly, I will instantaneously drink the Kool Aid and call everyone dumb who thinks his offense won't work in the NFL because it has never been truly attempted before so you can't know if it will work or not.

#3 In year one while his offense is struggling I will talk about how hard it is to learn a new offense and that it is a process that will take time

#4 As his offense continues to struggle in year 2 I will become indifferent about the whole thing and rarely post about it

#5 When his offense continues to struggle I will instantaneously turn on him and bump old threads referring to #1 and say 'I never wanted him in the first place"



#6 If the offense ends up being dynamic and we start winning games and become awesome I will bump old threads referring to #2 and say "See I told you it could work"

Huddle strategery, years in advance ;)

I will be right no matter what. FTW!!!


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