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Ban weapons of mass destruction.....NOW

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It will make 65% of this forum feel better.

That's the real purpose for most of this.

I agree. It's fluff.

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Glad that's all you took from that. But brother, I don't. I wish I did.

i know how you feel about guns. it wasn't what i was asking.

I don't disagree with you that the assault weapons ban did practically nothing... that said... we need to figure something out, and a large group of people standing on the sidelines yelling that everyone's ideas won't work but putting forward none of their own only leads to those people eventually being excluded from the conversation when it starts to matter.

tl;dr- gun people need to get on board with SOMETHING.

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It's actually regulated.

It is widely understood that at the time the 2nd amendment was providing two rights. The right to form a militia and the right to keep guns. The second amendment is based on and is meant to mirror English law which was much more clear.

The authors of the 2nd amendment were certainly not saying that a militia was a prerequisite of bearing arms.

From wiki:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Our founding fathers sure did a shitty job of making that one clear.

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My kids school called yesterday to tell us about the enhanced security procedures they implemented in response to this. Their solution was to lock down the doors (solid, should have been doing that to begin with), have a visitor be buzzed in the front door (again, solid) then be escorted to the office by staff to establish the reason for the visit. That's a joke. That will deter someone who has no affiliation with the school but what about a crazed parent?

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My kids school called yesterday to tell us about the enhanced security procedures they implemented in response to this. Their solution was to lock down the doors (solid, should have been doing that to begin with), have a visitor be buzzed in the front door (again, solid) then be escorted to the office by staff to establish the reason for the visit. That's a joke. That will deter someone who has no affiliation with the school but what about a crazed parent?

how do you deter a crazed parent?

and what the f*ck is a "crazed parent?"

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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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Without guns crazy people would still be a problem.

Without crazy people guns would still be hunks of metal that can do nothing without a person behind the trigger.

I like you Kurb.

But this is elementary type logic.

Gun advocates like to say these things because it is true. I don't mind saying that.

But when you combine crazy people with guns suddenly you have someone who is extremely deadly and now has the capacity to kill large numbers of people.

A crazy person without a gun can still be deadly, but only someone who has their head buried in the sand would believe that a crazy person with a knife or his bare hands is more of a risk to commit mass murder than a crazy person with a gun.

They are of equal blame. You can't absolve one in order to protect the other.

We need to do more to understand mental illness so we can prevent these things from happening, but we also need reduce a crazy person's options of tools for killing.

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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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how do you deter a crazed parent?

and what the f*ck is a "crazed parent?"

I honestly don't think you can. A divorced, laid off drunk who lost custody and decides they will teach the ex a lesson. That's a crazed parent.

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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Is someone saying people cannot own and keep arms? Haven't heard that.

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David Hemenway, a Harvard professor of health policy and director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center, told The New York Times, "Children ages 5 to 14 in the United States are 13 times as likely to be killed with guns as children in other industrialized countries "

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/17/gun-control-children-newtown-school-schooting/1775469/

Question to the super pro gun peoples, if this stat is legit (i don't want to argue that atm) does that make you think twice about your pro gun beliefs?

just curious

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Libby University commie study.

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