613 replies to this topic

[Kurb]

Im picking on you though im pretty sure my life would suck if we had as little govt regulation as you seem to want.

Actually everything would be better if I was in charge.

Dictator Kurb....*ponders possibilities*

[Delhommey]

If you want to know what things look like with limited government intervention, move to Belize.

[SZ James]

or... America

[Jase]

I don't see a lot of arguing in this thread.

I see a lot of arguing with strawmen.

There are almost as many strawmen as people.

[Delhommey]

One one hand you have data.

On the other you have "HOW BOUT A FORK?!! A FORK CAN KILL PEOPLE TOO!!!"

[Harris Aballah]

I have a cousin who died recently while urinating on an electrical fence. My question is should I propose a bill that bans the fence or the urination?

[mmmbeans]

I have a cousin who died recently while urinating on an electrical fence. My question is should I propose a bill that bans the fence or the urination?

you know it's bad when people are making up anecdotes.

[Kurb]

One one hand you have data.

On the other you have "HOW BOUT A FORK?!! A FORK CAN KILL PEOPLE TOO!!!"

Curious


How does shooting related violence data come out in cities with strict gun laws vs cities with more lax gun laws?

States?

[CatofWar]

no, it won't protect them from that kind of attack... but you'd also be vehemently opposed to any kind of security that WOULD protect them from that kind of attack because you'd view it (perhaps rightly so) as draconian... so if you're determined to be disatisified with every proposed solution... don't you think eventually you (and those like you) are simply going to be marginalized from the conversation? Are you satisfied with the way things are?

I get what you're saying. Am I satisfied? Eh, hell if I know. Sometimes. I guess.

[MadHatter]

You would have no problem with paying more taxes ?
Having Government officials "inspecting" your property ?

The small amount of property tax on the gun? No issue

Having the gun inspected just like my car? No real issue

Having to show an understanding of gun safety and use to buy one? No issue

[Delhommey]

[Delhommey]

Using a validated proxy for firearm ownership, we analyzed the relationship between firearm availability and homicide across 50 states over a ten year period (1988-1997).
After controlling for poverty and urbanization, for every age group, people in states with many guns have elevated rates of homicide, particularly firearm homicide.
Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. Household firearm ownership levels and homicide rates across U.S. regions and states, 1988-1997. American Journal of Public Health. 2002: 92:1988-1993

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/index.html

[MadHatter]

Yeah, the fact that he was trained with an assault rifle had nothing to do with the volume of dead kids.

Are you trying to lose an argument?

Your arguement is terrible.

Blame the gun....not the person....that is your arguement.

So what if he was trained to use a gun.


Guy is trained to drive a car....then goes out and runs someone over. Guess we should blame the car and ban them.

Guy plays baseball all his life....goes out and beats someone to death with a bat. Guess we should blame the bat and ban baseball.


Your response is the lypical liberal response.

There is no such thing as personal accountability to a liberal. The guy did this....not the gun.

[Delhommey]

Please stop using terrible, overused logical fallacies.

[Kurb]

**Same fuging graph I have seen.**

I've seen that chart posted a few million times.
It doesn't answer my question.

It IMO provides skewed data with the framing of the information.