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[pstall]

bring every Gov in the US to DC in Jan. bring in the NRA and bring in the FBI. deconstruct everything related to firearms from as many angles as you possibly can. find a middle ground for a smart workable solution towards effective regulation. not an outright ban.

when you go from allowing something to zero tolerance there is almost always unintended consequences that end up doing more harm than good.

[Davidson Deac II]

This killer had easy and legal access to these weapons of mass destruction. If he had not, maybe a few more kids or a teacher or two would still be alive. so, if one of these kids or teachers were in your family....what position would you take?

When I was a teenager, it was easier to get pot than to get alcohol. The reason was because pot was illegal and therefore not regulated, while alcohol was legal and regulated, and for the most part, the criminals couldn't compete with the legal forms of purchase.

If we ban firearms, we will only succeed in making the Cartels even wealthier and more powerful than they already are. They need to be more strictly regulated, and punishment for those who allow their guns to be used by those who would not otherwise be allowed to own a gun needs to be implemented or increased, but banning guns will not work very well.

[FireMarshallBill]

Please explain the harm gun control would cause. Then explain how you would explain to the parents in Conn.

It's not my job to explain anything to parents, if I wanted that burden I'd be in law enforcement.

Please explain how the assult weapons ban in he 90s saved all the lives in the OkC federal building

[FireMarshallBill]

Hell, if they were smart they'd ban drunk driving as well. Think of all the lives that would be saved.

[ladypanther]

When I was a teenager, it was easier to get pot than to get alcohol. The reason was because pot was illegal and therefore not regulated, while alcohol was legal and regulated, and for the most part, the criminals couldn't compete with the legal forms of purchase.

If we ban firearms, we will only succeed in making the Cartels even wealthier and more powerful than they already are.

Lame argument. I doubt all those kids and teachers would be dead if these weapons had not been legally purchased.

If outlawing these weapons could save even only 1 life...and that was a child you loved....would that not be worth it?

I do not understand defending these weapons. Have you read the data from Canada and England?

[CatofWar]

We don't live in England or Canada. We live where our right to bear firearms is constitutionally protected.

Once again, blame the object, not the person.

[CatofWar]

O a a has killed more children in Pakistan via drone strikes than the ct shooter did. Where's the outrage? Where are the threads to ban drones?

Are dark skinned children less valued in your eyes?

[FireMarshallBill]

WMDs!!

http://forums.dprevi.../thread/3241081

[Davidson Deac II]

Lame argument. I doubt all those kids and teachers would be dead if these weapons had not been legally purchased.

If outlawing these weapons could save even only 1 life...and that was a child you loved....would that not be worth it?

I do not understand defending these weapons. Have you read the data from Canada and England?

Its not a lame argument. Its an argument based on real historical evidence that banning something that people want almost always ends up backfiring. Many of the arguments you are making are similar to the arguments used by those who supported prohibition. And there is a good chance that gun bans would fail just as prohibition did. The only way a gun ban actually works is if we can convince every country (or at least most of them) in the world to stop manufacturing guns. And since that is highly unlikely, it is likely that we will just make gun smugglers rich.

Regarding England, they live on an Island. Its a little bit easier for them to stop the illegal importation of guns. And fwiw, they also have lower incidences of drug abuse than the US does. It could be that the differences are in large part due to their culture. That being said, they have had several mass killings from Jack the Ripper to Michael Robert Ryan.

[ladypanther]

We don't live in England or Canada. We live where our right to bear firearms is constitutionally protected.

Once again, blame the object, not the person.

So you love this right more than the people that have recently died because of it? How would you explain that to the grieving parents in Conn?

That constitution was written in much different times. Like other things that have changed (slavery is one) the 2nd amendment needs to change.

[CatofWar]

WMDs!!

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3241081

Where's the outrage?

[Davidson Deac II]

Worst school massacre in US history didn't even use a gun.

The Bath School disaster is the name given to three bombings in Bath Township, Michigan, on May 18, 1927, which killed 38 elementary school children, two teachers, four other adults and the bomber himself; at least 58 people were injured. Most of the victims were children in the second to sixth grades (7–14 years of age[1]) attending the Bath Consolidated School. Their deaths constitute the deadliest mass murder in a school in U.S. history.
The bomber was school board treasurer Andrew Kehoe, 55, who was enraged about a property tax levied to fund the construction of the school building.

[FireMarshallBill]

Where's the outrage?

They should totally ban blowing people up.

[ladypanther]

No one has made an argument that banning weapons of mass destruction would harm anyone.

So, if you were the parent of one of those 1st graders that might have been able to survive if the shooter did not have access to a legally purchased semiautomatic rifle , how would you convince them that gun control is a bad idea?

[Happy Panther]

In a later post I said ban. I want them banned and there should be very severe penalties for selling them on the black market (30 years). And severe penalties for buying/possessing them. (30 years)

People get 10 years for murder. You want 30 for owning a gun?