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#97 ladypanther

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 04:05 PM

This is getting pathetic. You care more about white kids than you do dark skinned kids. What about the parents of the children that were murdered via drones by Obama? I guess they do not matter.

You want to use murdered children to further your cause then include all murdered children. fug you and your bigoted post.


​I have not made a distinction by race. This is the first time in my life I have been called bigoted and it is completely uncalled for. I would like an apology.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 04:14 PM

If you hang around the tinderbox, you will be called all kinds of things. Would not expect an apology right away. Thicker skin required here as name calling is part of the territory. All people on the conservative side have been called bigot like hundreds of times.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 04:20 PM

Rabblerousers...

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 04:50 PM

Rabblerousers...

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 05:51 PM

Yes...without that rifle the shooter would not have gotten off as many shots or shots as deadly. The coroner who did 7 autopsies said some of those 7 were shot 11 times. That ammo was deadly with 1 shot. Military type weapons have no use in the civilian world. None of those kids that were shot with that type of weapon had a chance of surviving.

If you want to defend that type of weapon being legal...what the hell is it needed for? Why would you trade all the innocent lives that have been lost?


He did not use the rifle, it was found in the back seat of his car. The VT shooter just used two pistols to kill 30+. Pistols are easy acess and will never be banned or regulated other than registering them.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 05:58 PM

He did not use the rifle, it was found in the back seat of his car. The VT shooter just used two pistols to kill 30+. Pistols are easy acess and will never be banned or regulated other than registering them.


Well this is one of the many inconsistencies that I'm going to cover in my thread after the game. They DID find the rifle in his trunk as was initially reported, there's video evidence from the local news affiliates showing this.

However, after the information came out, regarding how many shots were fired over so short a period of time, they changed their story to say that he used the rifle as his weapon.

Again, I'll cover all this later this evening, with links and such.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 05:59 PM

Alcohol kills or contributes to far more deaths than firearms.

In 2009, a total of 1,314 children age 14 and younger were killed in motor vehicle traffic crashes. Of those 1,314 fatalities, 181 (14%) occurred in alcohol-impaired driving crashes. Out of those 181 deaths, 92 (51%) were occupants of a vehicle with a driver who had a BAC level of .08 or higher, and another 27 children (15%) were pedestrians or pedalcyclists struck by drivers with a BAC of .08 or higher.

That's not including adult deaths. People will always abuse privilege, whether its the right to enjoy a beer or the right to go out with your "assault rifle" ( which is nothing more than what uneducated people think one should look like). So in short, guns are not the problem. Societal decay is the problem.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:01 PM

Hello Ms.LadyPanther,

I am responding to be involved in dialog, not insults. I def. believe you have the right to your reaction and opinion in this time of sorrow. I do believe your idea of banning all firearms is nieve, and un-realistic...

...First, debatable as it may be, it is my right to legally own firearms and I do. The 2nd is among many rights that has and does make America a desirable place to live, and me proud/lucky to an American. As I said Im a gun owner. And I am not willing under any means to forfiet them or mine/my nieghbors right to have them. Its not concievable to expect any gun owners to. Its my opinion that a total ban would create more criminals, and the raise the number of vics. Not to mention the slippery slope of trying to take away a right garenteed from birth.

Second, regulation is great, if done based on fact not emotion. I do not mean this as a personal attack, but I think your reaction to "wmd" is based on sex appeal (looks/mods), not informed fire arm knowledge (caliber, effective/deadly range, ect...). Remember legallity and regulation effects the law-abiding, not the criminals who ignore such laws anyways. Again, I support informed well thought out regulation.

side notes...

Not all guns need clips to hold many rounds (My 30/30 for example...no clip yet holds multiple rounds. A small rifle-nothing fancy- but deadly up to 100 yds).

As deadly as they are, you must practice to be effective with pistols. Unfortunately, schools offer a potentually large number of targets all very much confined in a small space. The ol' fish in a barrel. Even used by an amature the pistol was deadly. A pump shotgun would have been even deadlier, shot for shot though. I have practice w/ a glock and a shotgun, meaning I am familiar with eaches' reach, round size/make up, capacity, and potential damage.

...so Ms. lp I responded to partake in dialog, not to insult. I dont know what Id tell the parents. My heart goes out to all involved. But, I don't think "don't worry we are going to take guns away from law abiding Americans, leaving the lawless armed" is what they would want to hear.

Marshall

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 08:00 PM

Well this is one of the many inconsistencies that I'm going to cover in my thread after the game. They DID find the rifle in his trunk as was initially reported, there's video evidence from the local news affiliates showing this.

However, after the information came out, regarding how many shots were fired over so short a period of time, they changed their story to say that he used the rifle as his weapon.

Again, I'll cover all this later this evening, with links and such.


Thanks, it would be great to clarify this. The news I have read, whether true or not, states the .223 rifle was found in the back seat of his mothers car.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 08:02 PM

I will not give up liberties because some sick f*** is capable of murdering children. Arm teachers and this s*** will end quickly, this is about mass murder (no gun) zones, not guns.

We guard our money, why not our children?

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 08:15 PM

I get tired of people making the arguement that "we should get rid of the assault weapons cause they are not for hunting"

No poo they aren't for hunting.... I'm not a hunter.
I own AK47 assault rifles so that if it were ever necessary for me to protect my family I would have the tools to do so.

Things go sideways for people all over the world every day, I laugh at how everyone in America has had it so good for so long that they all think they are immune.

Let the lights go out for 2 weeks and see how things go for you.

Ask the people of New Orleans if they wished they had AK47's to defend their property after Katrina.

The 2nd ammendment isn't about HUNTING, it is about granting the citizens of this country ACCESS to the tools the need to defend their homes and families and to safeguard us from the rise of tyranny.

The real debate should be about the epidemic of mental illness that faces this country, but no... just TRUST US to keep you SAFE.
Sorry Big Brother... I don't fuging trust you.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 08:16 PM

Hello Ms.LadyPanther,

I am responding to be involved in dialog, not insults. I def. believe you have the right to your reaction and opinion in this time of sorrow. I do believe your idea of banning all firearms is nieve, and un-realistic...

...First, debatable as it may be, it is my right to legally own firearms and I do. The 2nd is among many rights that has and does make America a desirable place to live, and me proud/lucky to an American. As I said Im a gun owner. And I am not willing under any means to forfiet them or mine/my nieghbors right to have them. Its not concievable to expect any gun owners to. Its my opinion that a total ban would create more criminals, and the raise the number of vics. Not to mention the slippery slope of trying to take away a right garenteed from birth.

Second, regulation is great, if done based on fact not emotion. I do not mean this as a personal attack, but I think your reaction to "wmd" is based on sex appeal (looks/mods), not informed fire arm knowledge (caliber, effective/deadly range, ect...). Remember legallity and regulation effects the law-abiding, not the criminals who ignore such laws anyways. Again, I support informed well thought out regulation.

side notes...

Not all guns need clips to hold many rounds (My 30/30 for example...no clip yet holds multiple rounds. A small rifle-nothing fancy- but deadly up to 100 yds).

As deadly as they are, you must practice to be effective with pistols. Unfortunately, schools offer a potentually large number of targets all very much confined in a small space. The ol' fish in a barrel. Even used by an amature the pistol was deadly. A pump shotgun would have been even deadlier, shot for shot though. I have practice w/ a glock and a shotgun, meaning I am familiar with eaches' reach, round size/make up, capacity, and potential damage.

...so Ms. lp I responded to partake in dialog, not to insult. I dont know what Id tell the parents. My heart goes out to all involved. But, I don't think "don't worry we are going to take guns away from law abiding Americans, leaving the lawless armed" is what they would want to hear.

Marshall




MarshalI.

I have not said that we should ban all firearms. (Although not a bad idea). By using the term "weapons of mass destruction" I was making a distinction between types of firearms.

Semiautomatic weapons? Who needs them? The deadly pump shotgun you mentioned...what purpose does that serve in our lives? What weapons do individual citizens need to own that is worth the lives of 20 6 & 7 year olds taken in only a few minutes?

Make it more difficult for troubled people to get these weapons and fewer people will die. We will not completely eliminate murders or deaths by firearms, But any lives we save will be worth it. Just ask the grieving parents and families in Newton, Conn.

And to your contention that fewer guns would result in more criminals and victims, I think the data I presented earlier from Canada and England show just the opposite. The stricter the gun control laws, the safer we are. I feel strongly about the deaths in the elementary school in Conn Friday, but my position is not emotional. It is data based. Many of you do not like the facts.