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#61 LinvilleGorge

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:36 PM

The Giants have a coach who has 2 Super Bowl rings. We have a coach who is 11-19 in his career and 1-12 in games decided by a TD or less. Almost all of his wins have come when we have already been mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:38 PM

1-12 in games decided by a TD or less...

Heartbreaking...I watched them all. It sucks, and everyone wants it to be different. Saying it's Ron is a valid point. Saying he is unable to improve and excel is short-sighted. My opinion...I could be very wrong...but I've seen some great stuff recently and these players like Rivera....and Kuchley/Cam are the foundation here...along with RR....Grow together and mature as a unit, I want it to have time to develop.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:39 PM

The GM matters here. Certain guys won't take the job unless they have the chance to pick their own guy.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:42 PM

I don't know how I feel anymore.

Finish winning strongly against 2 teams that have nothing to play for, well, OK.

The positives of Rivera:
1. clearly the team has not quit like alot of other teams have and God knows, they have had plenty of reason to do so.
2. the same O and same D for the 3rd year might not be bad.
3. perhaps his coaches have learned to count to 11

The negatives:
1. to slow and stubborn to admit things were not working with the O changes
2. not allowing Newton to grow
3. keep the 2 worst DTs on a roster I have ever seen (and I'm sure was part of drafting them)
4. losing close games against good teams
5. I just can never see him out coaching a Bellinchik or a Coughlin or a Tomlin or a Harbaugh...I just don't see it, wish i could.

Then again, people in NY were calling for Coughlin's head too before he won Super Bowls.

#65 Smithers

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:42 PM

1-12 in games decided by a TD or less...


Look on the bright side...at least this team has been in that many games that we wound up losing over the last two seasons. I seem to remember a few seasons under Fox where all losses were out of reach entering the 4th. All that stat means is we are that close. Could coaching improve? YES. Could the players stand to eliminate stupid late game mistakes? YES.

Last year we blamed all the close losses on the kicker. Why does Rivera take all the blame this year when just as many games were lost by players? As the coach Rivera should be blamed for some mistakes...but my goodness he cannot control everything. He is not on the field when those costly fumbles and interceptions occur. Let the man get his personnel in there. Hurney has still been building a John fox team the past couple of seasons...its now time to let Rivera and the new GM build a Rivera team.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:43 PM

Rivera is developing the Norv Turner syndrome. When it matters his team don't show up and play. When It don't matters and jobs are on the line then they decide to play. If we keep Rivera our team will always be mediocre just like the Chargers.

Food for thought: The Chargers sucked ass today.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:44 PM

if a Team finishes very strong, like we are now, and you fire the head coach you can end up doing a lot of unneeded damage to the team.

If we blow everyone out like we have been from here out I'd say Rivera has saved his Job.

What everyone needs to look at with Rivera is that this team clearly has not given up on him, he still has this team listening to him and Playing hard. they are building camaraderie and Rivera has their attention and respect, and the players right now are playing hard for him.


Thats not the problem, its just losing the close games for me. Not trying to take matters into our hands and win the game, even when we got desperate for a win he still gave a conservative approach (falcons, bears games) when the pressure is on him to be a HEAD COACH he folds. I know he is still got the team playing for him but thats kind of overrated, coordinators can still get there units to play for them in bad seasons.

#68 TheGreatestOfAllTimeCam

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:44 PM

he'll be back except.... wait for it... wait... you ready? No he won't be back!

#69 Doc Holiday

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:50 PM

The Giants have a coach who has 2 Super Bowl rings. We have a coach who is 11-19 in his career and 1-12 in games decided by a TD or less. Almost all of his wins have come when we have already been mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.

The 1-12 state is probably one of the most used, and misleading stats thrown around on here.

Each game is a different story unto itself, for example we lot the Cowboys game because the Ref's literally screwed us over, we lost the Bears game because our punter shanked a punt straight out of bounds to give them the ball practically already in the red zone.

This is what I'm talking about, now have the coaches been perfect in end of game decisions no, are they as bad as a lot of people been trying to make it out to be, nope.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:52 PM

Thats not the problem, its just losing the close games for me. Not trying to take matters into our hands and win the game, even when we got desperate for a win he still gave a conservative approach (falcons, bears games) when the pressure is on him to be a HEAD COACH he folds. I know he is still got the team playing for him but thats kind of overrated, coordinators can still get there units to play for them in bad seasons.

Did you watch the Bears game???? I don't know how you can even consider saying they lost because they got too conservative. that's the last thing I would say about that game.

other then that read my last post

He's had considerable pressure for saving his Job for the last 2 months now, I think that speaks about his reaction to pressure by itself.

And personnel issues are a bigger reason for our late game issues, (O-line/DB's) then anythings else.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:52 PM

waiting 10 games to make changes is unacceptable. Fire him and take Chud with him.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:53 PM

They finish this game - and the rest of the season - like this, he should be.


Could not disagree more.

What has happened over the past couple of weeks? We beat a team that didn't really have the urge to play and we beat a team that was worse than us, all the while our QB is playing the best stretch of his career.

The games in December are tricky. You can't count everything on these. Remember when Matt Moore was 4-1 to finish the season, beating a couple of very good teams fighting for home field advantage in the playoffs?

Two games does not a season make.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:56 PM

waiting 10 games to make changes is unacceptable. Fire him and take Chud with him.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:58 PM

Rivera needs to go.

Chud has to go.

Given the choice between one or the other gone, GTFO Chud.

But I hope Rivera goes too. Only way I would want to keep Rivera would be if the new coach is a worse coach. But that would take some SKILLZ

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:58 PM

Next year we should fire our GM 3 games in and get Rivera in gear earlier. We'd have a shot at 9-7.


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