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#97 Mr. Scot

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 01:37 PM

Well then he's a nobody that dropped several grand on a full page ad in the Observer.

Does that sound like someone in mom's basement?

Look, I'm not saying I agree with even 50% of what the guy (or guys, or women, or both) is saying. I just don't understand why so many on here who have not chosen to spend their hard earned money to make a statement have such a problem with it.


Mom might be the one with the money.

Given the state of the newspaper business today though, I'm not sure it cost as much as it would have in the past.

Ultimately though, regardless of how rich he is (or isn't) if as I suspect this is one guy claiming to represent several people when he really doesn't, then the whole thing is pretty much crap.

Bottom line: As long as the source is "A. Nonymous", I see no reason to take it seriously.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 02:06 PM

There are many more fans who don't go to games at all, or if they do, only when it's a free ticket or heavily discounted (like many of our home games have been). So, your point of non PSL holders spending more of their income as a percentage on the Panthers vs. PSL holders is basically applying the math only to your situation.

Similar to what the PPPOF group is doing, claiming they are the voice of PSL holders (and then quickly changing their tune when called out about it).


I think there are a good number of people like myself. I also think there are a large number of people/companies/brokers that own psl's strictly to sell season tickets and turn a profit. Probably including many of these people. Jerry is affecting their bottom line. They want to point the finger at Jerry, but are they in or more importantly out of their seat game after game losing their mind creating a home field advantage? Or are they selling their tickets to the highest bidder from opposing team's fans? This isnt all on Jerry, we need an identity as a fan base as well, other then a soft one.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 02:07 PM

It is relevant in this sense.

The entire open letter is accusatory in tone. They are trying to say that basically JR is tanking the team in order to line his own pockets. (I don't know why they think this considering we have pretty much maxed out our cap space and I am sure that if an owner wants to make more money he would love the revenue that is associated with making the playoffs.)


You make a number of good points. I thought they went way overboard with the whole "Jerry is an old money grubbing fool" routine.

Nonetheless, the letter at least sparks discussion about the state of the franchise and I see that as a good thing.

Jerry brings much of this on himself. He rarely communicates with the media so people are left to speculate about his intentions. And he has had less than a stellar public persona in the last couple of years, starting with the pie chart/come up front darling press conference, to the shots he took in the CBA negotiations, to his role in the recent official's lockout.

I think Jerry is a very good man. Just take a look at his recent efforts on behalf of the Olsens. And this is not the exception for him; it's the way he has consistently conducted himself when someone was in need.

Personal characteristics aside, he has to be accountable for his actions as majority partner of the Panthers. It would be great if he came out and talked about his thoughts on the future of the team and how he sees us accomplishing our goals. It won't happen, but it would be great from a PR standpoint.

There is not a doubt in my mind that many PSL owners are seriously pissed right now. While perhaps this wasn't the best effort or method for one or more of them to express their displeasure, it at least opens the debate and I think that has some value.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 03:06 PM

You make a number of good points. I thought they went way overboard with the whole "Jerry is an old money grubbing fool" routine.

Nonetheless, the letter at least sparks discussion about the state of the franchise and I see that as a good thing.

Jerry brings much of this on himself. He rarely communicates with the media so people are left to speculate about his intentions. And he has had less than a stellar public persona in the last couple of years, starting with the pie chart/come up front darling press conference, to the shots he took in the CBA negotiations, to his role in the recent official's lockout.

I think Jerry is a very good man. Just take a look at his recent efforts on behalf of the Olsens. And this is not the exception for him; it's the way he has consistently conducted himself when someone was in need.

Personal characteristics aside, he has to be accountable for his actions as majority partner of the Panthers. It would be great if he came out and talked about his thoughts on the future of the team and how he sees us accomplishing our goals. It won't happen, but it would be great from a PR standpoint.

There is not a doubt in my mind that many PSL owners are seriously pissed right now. While perhaps this wasn't the best effort or method for one or more of them to express their displeasure, it at least opens the debate and I think that has some value.


I don't disagree with most of that. But I think the open letter was poorly done and its intent was undermined by its own vitriol.

They could have made some of the very points you just made without all the accusations and taking pot shots at Cam Newton who is the face of the franchise. Cam being "adolescent" (whether true or not) has nothing to do with the JR's running of the franchise.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 05:36 PM

I don't disagree with most of that. But I think the open letter was poorly done and its intent was undermined by its own vitriol.

They could have made some of the very points you just made without all the accusations and taking pot shots at Cam Newton who is the face of the franchise. Cam being "adolescent" (whether true or not) has nothing to do with the JR's running of the franchise.


They definitely went overboard with certain comments and came off as both vindictive and trivial in spots, almost as if they had a personal problem with JR.

I guess it boils down to this...JR needs to feel some heat. The same kind of heat Rivera, our coaches, and our players have been dealing with. This is especially true now when he is about to make a series of decisions that will have a big impact on the franchise for at least the next several years.