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Uh oh. Pat Y might just have dropped a bombshell. Get ready for Beane as GM

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I will burn every Bojangles to the ground.

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I understand your point that it would appear that hiring an insider would be just more of the same. But, that is not necessarily true. We have no idea whether Beane's views and Hurney's views were anything alike. Just because one worked for the other does not make this necessarily true.

I know nothing about Beane and a pretty limited understanding of what it really takes to be a good GM. Therefore, I will defer judgement to Acorsi, who was hired to do just that.

Now, if Acorsi makes a suggestion to go outside and JR goes against that suggestion, then we shoudl all be pissed. You hire an expert because you value their opinion.....you don't hire one to go against their opinion.

whether he's the best candidate or not (which i doubt) isn't really the most important thing.

i can't see how beane would be significantly better than ross or gettleman or gamble or some of the other names mentioned. what is important is 1) getting an upgrade and 2) assuring the fanbase and PSL holders that you acknowledge the deficiencies within your organization and you aren't going to continue down the same path and you aren't going to try and keep everything in house, that you are willing to go outside your own failing organization for help in rebuilding.

i just can't see hiring beane as being a sign that we are determined to make things right here.

right or wrong, perception matters. the only way you promote from within is if you have a successful organization to begin with.

it demonstrates a resistance to outside opinion and change, you miss out on what could be a much needed injection of superior management practices and talent...and especially fresh eyes and perspectives, it makes it easy to repeat failed management behavior. it's a sign that you accept your status quo.

organizations have to have an influx of talent and in this case, it's needed at the top with the GM. if there is no influx of outside talent, a danger that exists is, well, the organizational gene pool gets too small and when that happens recessive and non-beneficial traits within the org. become dominant.

i can see how this might work...maybe...but there are too many reasons why this would be a bad thing. there are too many things that can go wrong.

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Never called anyone an idiot. Only pointed out that none of us know anythign about Beane nor whether he has the qualifications to make a good GM. That is why I said that we should wait and see what Acorsi recommends. Maybe the guy is very impressive and Acorsi says he is the guy. What then?

Do any of us think that we know more about what it would take to run an NFL Franchise than the expert hired to make that call? I sure don't.

http://www.panthers.com/news/article-2/Beane-tackles-more-responsibilities/4e1c4865-a636-4d53-a592-1596a5c186c5

He's essentially an administrative assistant / liaison.

Would you really choose that over guys that have been working draft rooms and/or free agency for years like Ross or Gettleman?

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If fuging Jordan can wise up and sign Rich Cho, JR should at the very least be able to sign a very capable GM. At the very least not something as lazy and stupid as this.

Pat Y is trolling us pretty hard.

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http://www.panthers....92-1596a5c186c5

He's essentially an administrative assistant / liaison.

Would you really choose that over guys that have been working draft rooms and/or free agency for years like Ross or Gettleman?

here is literally no way i would do that.

i mean there is a chance that this guy is some superstar that the league didn't know existed and he could turn the franchise into a winning one, but the chances of that happening...i mean not just having someone with that little experience but it being someone that we had here all along?

better chance of getting mauled by a bear on a new york subway.

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here is literally no way i would do that.

i mean there is a chance that this guy is some superstar that the league didn't know existed and he could turn the franchise into a winning one, but the chances of that happening...i mean not just having someone with that little experience but it being someone that we had here all along?

better chance of getting mauled by a bear on a new york subway.

He's never even worked as a scout. How in the hell do you give a guy that hasn't even been a scout full charge over personnel evaluation?

As a side note, discussing this possibility has given me new insight into just up how bad an idea it was to put the fate of the team in the hands of a sports writer all those years back. I'm amazed we had the success we did.

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He's never even worked as a scout. How in the hell do you give a guy that hasn't even been a scout full charge over personnel evaluation?

As a side note, discussing this possibility has given me new insight into just up how bad an idea it was to put the fate of the team in the hands of a sports writer all those years back. I'm amazed we had the success we did.

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He's never even worked as a scout. How in the hell do you give a guy that hasn't even been a scout full charge over personnel evaluation?

As a side note, discussing this possibility has given me new insight into just up how bad an idea it was to put the fate of the team in the hands of a sports writer all those years back. I'm amazed we had the success we did.

at least that guy worked for a guy that was good at his job for years and had some decent experience in all phases before being named GM.

but even then it was a bad idea promoting from within, hindsight being 20/20.

it was a bad idea keeping him after fox was let go. just seems like this would be another in a pretty decent line of bad ideas.

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that's because our administration waits too long to fire people.

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Lets say this again. Pat Y was only speculating on what will happen. He has no inside information or anything of that nature so I believe its all just noise at this point. We still have the offseason to interview and talk to other guys.

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whether he's the best candidate or not (which i doubt) isn't really the most important thing.

i can't see how beane would be significantly better than ross or gettleman or gamble or some of the other names mentioned. what is important is 1) getting an upgrade and 2) assuring the fanbase and PSL holders that you acknowledge the deficiencies within your organization and you aren't going to continue down the same path and you aren't going to try and keep everything in house, that you are willing to go outside your own failing organization for help in rebuilding.

i just can't see hiring beane as being a sign that we are determined to make things right here.

right or wrong, perception matters. the only way you promote from within is if you have a successful organization to begin with.

it demonstrates a resistance to outside opinion and change, you miss out on what could be a much needed injection of superior management practices and talent...and especially fresh eyes and perspectives, it makes it easy to repeat failed management behavior. it's a sign that you accept your status quo.

organizations have to have an influx of talent and in this case, it's needed at the top with the GM. if there is no influx of outside talent, a danger that exists is, well, the organizational gene pool gets too small and when that happens recessive and non-beneficial traits within the org. become dominant.

i can see how this might work...maybe...but there are too many reasons why this would be a bad thing. there are too many things that can go wrong.

Very well said. Congrats on a great post.

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