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#1 Jackofalltrades

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 10:11 PM

I'm re watching some old games and looking for certain things, mainly individual play. One thing that irks me is I don't know who to hold accountable (not that I really can) for some things I see. Going back and watching without game day emotion and looking at specific players and plays/formations some of this stuff doesn't make sense as I see it more clearly now and can rewind as often as I want.

So, if anyone actually knows (omit PFFL) who is responsible for where players line up defensively in relation to distinct from their man, please fill me in.

I don't know if some of this stuff falls on player, DC, DB coach, etc.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 10:13 PM

You a muthafuggin boss for this thread.

Nice.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 10:16 PM

Quality control coaches have a lot to do with formation, line ups etc, they essentially come up with the play books with the defensive coordinators and offensive coordinators; the defensive coordinators and offensive coordinators then keep the plays they feel work the best and choose from those plays on game day.

Side Note: The quality coaches are also responsible for the quarterback play bands.

The only reason I know this is because I'm an assistant defensive quality control coach.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 10:20 PM

Let me be more specific then-

If a CB continually lines up 7-9 yards off a WR at the LOS in man, who makes the call to tighten that coverage during the game?

Yes, the Bears game is the premise and its not just the final drive.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 10:24 PM

Let me be more specific then-

If a CB continually lines up 7-9 yards off a WR at the LOS in man, who makes the call to tighten that coverage during the game?

Yes, the Bears game is the premise and its not just the final drive.


Funny you mentioned that game. That is also a quality control coach/defensive coordinator job.

I was actually sitting in the office with the main defensive quality control coach yelling at the tv (we had the Panthers game on because myself and Minter were watching and the defensive quality control coach game in and started watching and he said the the Panthers quality control coach and defensive coordinator needed to get on the same page because the call they made was just a simple "protect the sidelines zone" not even a man to man.

Positional coaches are usually really good teachers that is why positional coaches usually played football. Quality control coaches are usually just nerds that are good with x's and o's lol.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 10:26 PM

McFermott and CB coach were in charge of coverage but Rivera took over that and coverage has been a lot better for the most part

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 10:29 PM

Positional coaches have little to no impact on the game, they are teachers that is mainly why most positional coaches were also players.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 10:31 PM

I'm a Norman fan, but so far he looks really intimidated by bigger WR's. Against Brandon Marshall and Dez Bryant he gives that huge cushion, every time, with no attempt to jam or reroute them. At the snap he just turns his hips and runs with them. He has good coverage once they're close, but that's not for 2-3 seconds.

Against Devin Hester and Ogletree he was in press man.

There are a couple things to consider here:

1. Rookie 5th round small school CB vs bigger, dominant veterans top 10 in the NFL.

2. He doesn't get beat deep.

3. No help over top

I get not wanting to get burned on a double move, missed jam or just blown by, but damn. As a rookie is he in charge of where he lines up?

I respect that he keeps plays in front of him, but when that's being exploited who's job is it to make the adjustment!

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 10:32 PM

Disclaimer: seeing as there's a big difference I am watching broadcast coverage, not "film."

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 10:38 PM

I'm a Norman fan, but so far he looks really intimidated by bigger WR's. Against Brandon Marshall and Dez Bryant he gives that huge cushion, every time, with no attempt to jam or reroute them. At the snap he just turns his hips and runs with them. He has good coverage once they're close, but that's not for 2-3 seconds.

Against Devin Hester and Ogletree he was in press man.

There are a couple things to consider here:

1. Rookie 5th round small school CB vs bigger, dominant veterans top 10 in the NFL.

2. He doesn't get beat deep.

3. No help over top

I get not wanting to get burned on a double move, missed jam or just blown by, but damn. As a rookie is he in charge of where he lines up?

I respect that he keeps plays in front of him, but when that's being exploited who's job is it to make the adjustment!


I can also speak on Norman because I the school that I'm an assistant at was the rival school's of Norman.

In college, Norman played the same way; he was chippy, finished off hits but never overly physical. His lack of "burst" if you will; didn't allow Norman to play up on receivers because he couldn't catch up on deep routes. However he has gotten a lot better at keeping receivers in front of him and he is phenomenal back peddler (make sure you keep an eye out for that).

By the way we torched Norman when we played them two years ago lol. I believe Chris Summers (who is now on the Vikings practice squad had 5 receptions for 83 yards against Josh.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 10:41 PM

I noticed the back pedal and the very fluid hips.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 10:51 PM

McFermott and CB coach were in charge of coverage but Rivera took over that and coverage has been a lot better for the most part


Just curious...what is your source for this?

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 10:52 PM

Great thread JOAT!

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 10:53 PM

Grassius.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 11:07 PM

I'm learning a ton.



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