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#16 Bwood

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:06 PM

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:21 PM

Couple of my friends are pats fans and say Chung is not good in coverage, plus he plays SS so why not put him there? Plus dwan is a 3-tech not a NT, I'd rather get a big NT than another 3-tech(Richardson)

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:28 PM

Couple of my friends are pats fans and say Chung is not good in coverage, plus he plays SS so why not put him there? Plus dwan is a 3-tech not a NT, I'd rather get a big NT than another 3-tech(Richardson)


Like I said Chung is not one of my favorite player but money wise, he'd be a good pickup. Chung loss his job this season to someone and the Pats had to move McCourty to Safety.

I really do think Dwan can be decent as a NT. He has experience playin in a 34 D with Baltimore, which I think he'll be able to play the Nose. Teams like Minny and Philly are running two UTs. Not the best but it can work.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:34 PM

Chung is the worst in the business against the play action.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:38 PM

Chung is the worst in the business against the play action.


We talking money here though, "money". Chung is the cheapest we'll be able to afford. These Byrd talks can quit already.

Whos worst against the play actions, Naka or Chung?

In a right system, maybe Chung can redeem himself. I see Chung like a Thomas Decoud. Decoud isn't a good safety. I believe he's very overrated. Similar size and game imo. Decoud is just a notch better at this point bc of what Nolan is doing down there with different looks and coverages.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:45 PM

We talking money here though, "money". Chung is the cheapest we'll be able to afford. These Byrd talks can quit already.

Whos worst against the play actions, Naka or Chung?

In a right system, maybe Chung can redeem himself.

Exaclty.

I rather have Chung than Nakumaru,say what you want about Chung he is a upgrade over that midget bum Nakumaru.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:50 PM

Exaclty.

I rather have Chung than Nakumaru,say what you want about Chung he is a upgrade over that midget bum Nakumaru.


Yup, no one should be complaining if in a wonderful world we landed Chung. He's an instance upgrade over both Naka and Sherrod. Would instantly upgrade our secondary. For the price, I'd take him all day.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 04:39 PM

Don't want Richardson. Dwan and Neblett are UTs, not NTs. If our starting DTs are Dwan and Richardson, sure we'll get a few sacks from the DT position every now and then, but teams are going to keep running up the middle on us. They'll just scheme away from them. It would definitely be in the vein of the Jim Johnson scheme, but I'd rather get Star or Hankins in the 1st or Jesse Williams or someone comparable in the 2nd and have someone to plug that middle.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 05:32 PM

Chung is garbage. Dwan is NOT a NT. He's a 5 tech in a 3-4 and a UT in a 4-3. I like Woods, but id rather have Patterson. Think
theres more of a ceiling to him.


Edit: Hunter not Woods. Geting my WR mixed up...

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 05:41 PM

^That man knows it all.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 05:51 PM

Don't want Richardson. Dwan and Neblett are UTs, not NTs. If our starting DTs are Dwan and Richardson, sure we'll get a few sacks from the DT position every now and then, but teams are going to keep running up the middle on us. They'll just scheme away from them. It would definitely be in the vein of the Jim Johnson scheme, but I'd rather get Star or Hankins in the 1st or Jesse Williams or someone comparable in the 2nd and have someone to plug that middle.


Chung is garbage. Dwan is NOT a NT. He's a 5 tech in a 3-4 and a UT in a 4-3. I like Woods, but id rather have Patterson. Think
theres more of a ceiling to him.


Like I mentioned, I know that Richardson is an "UT" and "NOT" a NT. I said that taking Richardson is clearly taking the BPA. Jon Jenkins and Jesse Williams are NT, but neither of the two arent really worth taking in the top15. Dwan has experience playing in a 34 D, which I think would really help him play the run for a NT. I can really see Dwan making the transition to a NT easily. Remember that he played DE in a 34 D both at Baltimore and Buffalo. Fans here are getting the assumption that Dwan is just a pass rushing UT because of the season he put up this year for us. Go back and look at his statistic and it'll show that he was never the pass rushing UT he is today. What does a DE in a 34 D do? They played the run and let the linebackers make the play.

Look at Ngata for example. He's clearly a 43 NT, but he's playing the DE spot for the 34 D in Baltimore. I just think that when you talk about both side of the ball, talking "Dline and Oline" that players can make easy transition anywhere on the line. A DE can move inside and play DT, a DT can move outside and play DE, an OT can move inside and play OG, and an OG can move outside to play OT. It's simply a mentality thing unlike talking about moving a MLB to OLB i.e., Jon Beason. The skillsets are different in these areas as do in the secondary also. Kuechly or Beason wont be as successful on the outside because now they'll have to drop back and cover faster TEs. But a Byron Bell can move from RT to RG, or a Travelle Wharton can move from LG to LT to RG/RT.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 05:58 PM

Chung is garbage. Dwan is NOT a NT. He's a 5 tech in a 3-4 and a UT in a 4-3. I like Woods, but id rather have Patterson. Think
theres more of a ceiling to him.


Its like repeating myself, but getting Chung is a money issue. Dont expect an exciting move like a Jarius Byrd. If somehow we land Chung, that'll be the most exciting move in the offseason. Patterson is my favorite receiver in this draft, but like I said he can easily be a 1st rounder next year. Patterson is going to put up an amazing combine and his stock is going to jump. A team like Seattle, Seattle, or Patriots is going to take Patterson in the first bc of what you said, "there's more of a ceiling to him".

Chung may just need a new scenery or system. We see this every year in the league. Just like a Donte Whitner or a Carlos Rogers. Both were average mediocre player with their previous team. Put them in a new system and all of a sudden both are playing at the highest level anyone can play.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 06:12 PM

Like I mentioned, I know that Richardson is an "UT" and "NOT" a NT. I said that taking Richardson is clearly taking the BPA. Jon Jenkins and Jesse Williams are NT, but neither of the two arent really worth taking in the top15. Dwan has experience playing in a 34 D, which I think would really help him play the run for a NT. I can really see Dwan making the transition to a NT easily. Remember that he played DE in a 34 D both at Baltimore and Buffalo. Fans here are getting the assumption that Dwan is just a pass rushing UT because of the season he put up this year for us. Go back and look at his statistic and it'll show that he was never the pass rushing UT he is today. What does a DE in a 34 D do? They played the run and let the linebackers make the play.

Look at Ngata for example. He's clearly a 43 NT, but he's playing the DE spot for the 34 D in Baltimore. I just think that when you talk about both side of the ball, talking "Dline and Oline" that players can make easy transition anywhere on the line. A DE can move inside and play DT, a DT can move outside and play DE, an OT can move inside and play OG, and an OG can move outside to play OT. It's simply a mentality thing unlike talking about moving a MLB to OLB i.e., Jon Beason. The skillsets are different in these areas as do in the secondary also. Kuechly or Beason wont be as successful on the outside because now they'll have to drop back and cover faster TEs. But a Byron Bell can move from RT to RG, or a Travelle Wharton can move from LG to LT to RG/RT.


Yea, I saw that you addressed that concern, I just disagree. Playing DE in a 3-4 doesn't qualify someone to play NT in a 4-3. Usually 3-4 DEs are guys that can play UT in a 4-3, which is what Dwan does. They're guys right around 300 lbs that are a little bit taller. I agree Williams or Jenkins would be gross reaches in the top 15, and if Star and Hankins are both gone I want Warmack, a WR or something else and take Williams or someone else that can play NT in the 2nd. I don't want to take a luxury pick with our first pick, which is what a backup to Dwan would be (like I said, in my opinion Dwan isn't a NT and wouldn't be as effective. Our run defense get no improvement). I don't think Dwan is big or strong enough to plug holes. He shoots gaps.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 06:21 PM

Yea, I saw that you addressed that concern, I just disagree. Playing DE in a 3-4 doesn't qualify someone to play NT in a 4-3. Usually 3-4 DEs are guys that can play UT in a 4-3, which is what Dwan does. They're guys right around 300 lbs that are a little bit taller. I agree Williams or Jenkins would be gross reaches in the top 15, and if Star and Hankins are both gone I want Warmack, a WR or something else and take Williams or someone else that can play NT in the 2nd. I don't want to take a luxury pick with our first pick, which is what a backup to Dwan would be (like I said, in my opinion Dwan isn't a NT and wouldn't be as effective. Our run defense get no improvement). I don't think Dwan is big or strong enough to plug holes. He shoots gaps.


I agree with you that most of these 34 DE are guys that can play UT in a 43, but what these guys do in a 34 D is exactly what a 43 NT would do. They stuff the run so the LBs can make the play. I just really think that if we pass on Richardson, there wont be a good enough NT or DT itself in the 2nd. Jesse Williams and Jon Jenkins are late 1st rounders. Guys that could be in the 2nd are Ford, Short, and S. Williams. All of whom are UT also.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 06:25 PM

Many things I like about this draft. First of all, I love the Patrick Chung pick up. I didn't know he was up for free agency, definitely would be a good pick up. (Yet I personally think he would be better playing cornerback) I like the Richardson pick. I think we will be picking between 15-20, and that seems like a good range to draft him in. Now, Justin Hunter will most likely be gone in the 1st round, and If you ask me, I'd say he is the best receiver in the draft. Overall I love this mock.


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