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The win-loss record doesn't tell the whole story. The problem I have with placing all emphasis on the record is that not every team plays under the same circumstances or goes against the same competition. Football (and sports in general) are not black and white like that.

Case in point...the Colts. Not taking away anything from what they've done this season but they played an extremely vanilla schedule while getting whipped by the Patriots, Jets, Bears, and the Jaguars early on. Their 9-5 record indicates that they are a very successful team, but not necessarily a better one compared to most other teams with comparable records.

On the flip side, we had a very tough schedule, especially early on. We only had two blow out losses while losing most others within one score against teams like the Bears, the Bucs (twice), Falcunts, Seattle, and Dallas. Are we a very successful team this year? Hell no...but are we better than our record indicates while taking everything into consideration? I believe so.

That is true that schedule strength can vary quite a bit from conference to conference and even somewhat among teams in the conference

But since there is no weighing for schedule and differences as far as what we are left with is wins and losses.

Atlanta played many of the same teams we did this year and won where we lost. Why are they 12-2 and we are 5-9? They didn't seem to suffer from a tough schedule. And much of the difference between schedule strength between us and them is that we have to play them twice based on their record last year and they play us twice and we are considered a weak team based on last year's record. Otherwise the difference is 2 games based on division rankings. So honestly much of the schedule differences argument are what losers say to justify why they are losing. Good teams beat other good teams and bad teams.

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What do all your fancy stats do for you? Make you feel better?

Actual players and coaches only care about 1 stat(2 if you count salary), and it doesn't take a genius to figure out what that is.

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Aw poo, well let's pack it in then guys. We suck and there's no hope. Who's going to be the first to drink the poisoned punch?

Nice try with the whole discredit him by going to the absurd. Why can't you accept the fact we ar not a good team this year and for much of the year were pretty bad. We are trending up and the last few weeks have been great. If we had played like that all year we would be in the playoffs.

You seem to vacillate all across the board with your main goal to be a contrarian and argue rather than propose reasonable well thought out positions.

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I'd rather be a "crappy" 9-5 colts team headed to the playoffs than a "good" 7-9(at best) team headed straight to the couch after the season.

Kids these days must have a different definition of good.

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Nice try with the whole discredit him by going to the absurd. Why can't you accept the fact we ar not a good team this year and for much of the year were pretty bad. We are trending up and the last few weeks have been great. If we had played like that all year we would be in the playoffs.

You seem to vacillate all across the board with your main goal to be a contrarian and argue rather than propose reasonable well thought out positions.

Oh I accepted that fact long ago. Isn't that a prerequisite for being a Panthers fan?

Well absurdity was the point. I was not serious, just ribbing you a bit.

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Honestly that doesn't mean anything. Those rankings are subjective and show nothing.

But the only statistic that matters is win-loss record. You can lead the league in scoring points but if you give up more than you score you end up with a poor record. You can have more yards than another team but if you have fewer points then it doesn matter.

So win- loss record at the end of the day is all that matters.

Win loss record is what matters at the end of the current day, but at the beginning of the next day the other stuff matters more.

So to say it doesn't matter is incorrect.

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There are far more variables to a win-loss record than the two numbers that define it. And it's more than a strength of schedule issue. Each game is defined individually. This is the era of modern NFL where the difference between a 2-14 team and a 14-2 is not as substantial as it was in the old days. I am a firm believer of the saying "any given Sunday" because the record only has meaning during the week leading up to the game. But when the game comes, that record becomes irrelevant.

How the hell did we lose to the Chiefs? Our record would indicate that we were somewhat of a better team than they were but that certainly was not the case that Sunday. We didn't play badly, but emotion can give one team an advantage.

We smacked the Falcons around two weeks ago and should have beaten them at their place early in the year. Yet, they have twice as many wins? Are they twice the better team than we are?

We aren't debating how successful we are compared to other teams in this thread. Success determines each team's record because it defines finality...and in that case, we haven't been very successful this season. But skill and talent are the underlying factors beneath that record and that's what this thread is about.

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What do all your fancy stats do for you? Make you feel better?

Actual players and coaches only care about 1 stat(2 if you count salary), and it doesn't take a genius to figure out what that is.

Let me guess, the stat they care about is wins? I guess Rivera or whoever is coaching next year will hire all the texans and falcons castoffs since they all have more wins than Anyone on our team.

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Let me guess, the stat they care about is wins? I guess Rivera or whoever is coaching next year will hire all the texans and falcons castoffs since they all have more wins than Anyone on our team.

First of all you want their starters not castoffs. Secondly Philly has demonstrated that some great individual players don't guarantee that you will play well as a team or win. But if Rivera is still here, how well he can mold the players in a cohesive unit that has good chemistry and plays well together will determine how long he stays here. If isn't who has the best individual players but who plays best as a team. A great team is when the overall success of the team is better than would be predicted based on the sum of the individual parts.

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I've lost a lot of poker hand where I had a better than 77% chance of winning...

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Honestly that doesn't mean anything. Those rankings are subjective and show nothing.

But the only statistic that matters is win-loss record. You can lead the league in scoring points but if you give up more than you score you end up with a poor record. You can have more yards than another team but if you have fewer points then it doesn matter.

So win- loss record at the end of the day is all that matters.

Depends on what you are looking at.....wins and losses are the end all be all to some questions. They aren't for others.

You can take 2 teams that are 1-15 and have them play. One will be favored.....one will be favored bc you don't actually judge a team on just record alone in terms of who has better odds to win a game

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Depends on what you are looking at.....wins and losses are the end all be all to some questions. They aren't for others.

You can take 2 teams that are 1-15 and have them play. One will be favored.....one will be favored bc you don't actually judge a team on just record alone in terms of who has better odds to win a game

If they are both 1-15, how could they play each other because the season would be over unless they also made the playoffs.

Just sayin.................

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