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#25 top dawg

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 07:34 PM

i'm still trying to figure out what gettis has to do with all of this.


LOL

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 07:44 PM

I think hindering our offense and Cam's abilities for over half of the season and not changing until we were out of the playoffs should be enough to want him fired. Rivera gets a couple wins when our season is done and suddenly we want to keep everybody.


Nobody said everybody..Personally I would prefer to keep Wilks,Rivera,Belin,Washington and Shula.. Those aspects of our team have all played extremely well. The rest have been ok or bad.

One guy I think may need to go is Kern.. since he got here we have had SOOOOOOO many injuries and a few out of shape players.(Otah and Robinson are part of his resume)

http://www.panthers....am/coaches.html

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:02 PM

Why can't some of you guys realize that the fire was lit because "JOBS" are on the line. Rivera hasn't shown any type of improvement from last year to this year. The only improvement I have seen is the improvement on the defensive side of the ball. Why can't you guys realize what happen to get us to this point? First we start off out the gate slow, we come out unmotivated and undisciplined. On top of all that we changed our whole entire offense. I wonder who let Chud do that?


Look, man, Rivera is still a relatively new HC. He had to learn and settle into the job. He had to realize that he is the man, period. It's a transition. The light doesn't come on for all people at the same time. I don't care if it was the cold hard reality of jobs being on the line that lit a fire up under the man. We are winning now, and (unlike last year) I believe we have really gotten over a hump because it truly has been a trial by fire (or a trial to stop from being fired). Rivera, the young coaching staff and team are that more seasoned and experienced, and realize what it takes to win with consistency because of getting drunk off unexpected "success", and then suffering failure due to unrealistic expectations. It's all a process. There had to be a realization, then self-actualization, and now we are hopefully seeing the maturation of not only Rivera, but Chud, Derm, individual players, and the team as a whole.

Do you really want to risk breaking that continuity when we are seeing real promise after everyone coming to their senses and learning what it takes to truly compete at a top level?

We are close, people. I am thinking that a coaching change sets us back for at least three years. The relatively small risk of giving Chico a third year is worth the possible reward in my opinion.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:19 PM

...Hack Riviera now and get a new coach and its another 2 years in the shtter at a minimum while he installs his own system. Rivera has more football knowledge in his little finger than 90% of the people on this board. This was the first full year he has had with the team. We are close to being a good football team... we have been in the position to win games but players are human and havent made the plays when needed... if so...we are 11-3... Like i said before, we dont want to get on the coaching carousel... we need stability and direction...we need to get out of cap hell and start drafting players that can contribute from the get go...no more fkin projects.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:23 PM

Some people accept Rivera's inexperience and falsely assume he has learned from his mistakes, but no one knows how many more rookie mistakes RR has yet to spawn upon us. A couple of wins against mediocre teams does not spare us from MORE slow starts, MORE poor coaching decisions, MORE poor personnel decisions or MORE poor play-calling and poor player motivation. The only thing that shows improvement is wins and by that count, Rivera is a loser! Still willing to gamble the next season with more of the same?

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:46 PM

Some people accept Rivera's inexperience and falsely assume he has learned from his mistakes, but no one knows how many more rookie mistakes RR has yet to spawn upon us. A couple of wins against mediocre teams does not spare us from MORE slow starts, MORE poor coaching decisions, MORE poor personnel decisions or MORE poor play-calling and poor player motivation. The only thing that shows improvement is wins and by that count, Rivera is a loser! Still willing to gamble the next season with more of the same?


Well, obviously we don't think we will get MORE of the same, but if we do get MORE of the same, then Rivera won't likely last one month, much less a season. But, yes, provided we win at least 1 more this year and look game (even in a loss), I would be willing to gamble next season for MORE of the same type of winning that we've had the last month.

What if we get the next big thing and get MORE poor and/or disjointed play due to personnel learning a new system (especially Cam)? The team is still young, and a change in the midst of a team finally getting it and gelling could bring undesired results.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:50 PM

Rivera has more football knowledge in his little finger than 90% of the people on this board.


I hate it when I see this type argument.

Most people have little expertise in public administration or foreign policy, yet they elect our presidents.

Putting the example on a more basic level, you probably don't know anything about carpentry, but I'll bet you could still recognize a poorly made cabinet or piece of furniture.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 09:50 PM

dumbest post I've ever read. You're an idiot. Would expand on this post but I have to be somewhere. So freaking stupid



Its about as bad as the video you have attached to all your posts..... Wait.... No the video is worse

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 09:51 PM

Look, man, Rivera is still a relatively new HC. He had to learn and settle into the job. He had to realize that he is the man, period. It's a transition. The light doesn't come on for all people at the same time. I don't care if it was the cold hard reality of jobs being on the line that lit a fire up under the man. We are winning now, and (unlike last year) I believe we have really gotten over a hump because it truly has been a trial by fire (or a trial to stop from being fired). Rivera, the young coaching staff and team are that more seasoned and experienced, and realize what it takes to win with consistency because of getting drunk off unexpected "success", and then suffering failure due to unrealistic expectations. It's all a process. There had to be a realization, then self-actualization, and now we are hopefully seeing the maturation of not only Rivera, but Chud, Derm, individual players, and the team as a whole.

Do you really want to risk breaking that continuity when we are seeing real promise after everyone coming to their senses and learning what it takes to truly compete at a top level?

We are close, people. I am thinking that a coaching change sets us back for at least three years. The relatively small risk of giving Chico a third year is worth the possible reward in my opinion.


What are we risking if get another coach? You guys act like we have put back to back winning season together. Yeah we are winning now but look at the teams we have beat with our 5-9 record. You guys better stop drinking the kool aid because you will be very disappointed next year when we see the same old BS we have seen the past year and a half.

You can say what you want in till you turn blue in the face and that is not going to change the fact from what me and a lot of others have seen from this team and from Rivera. The guy can not get it done.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 11:01 PM

How many coaches have taken over a 2-14 team and turned it into a winner in two years?


Of course you know about Fox taking a 1-15 team to the Super Bowl in his 2nd year.

Parcells took the phins from 1-15 to 11-5 in 1 season.

Hell Raheem Morris took the Bucs from 3-13 to 10-6 within 2 years.

Mike Smith took inherited a 4-12 Falcons and got them to 11-5 and a consistent winner ever since.

Sean Payton took over the 3-13 saints and got them to 10-6 and the nfc championship in his first year and made them a consistent winner.

Bruce Arians is taking last years worst team who were also 2-14 and has them sitting at 9-5 as an interim head coach.

All of that has happened in recent history and by every team in the NFC South

Some people also want to place the blame on players for not making single game changing plays but on the flip side if Rivera had made better coaching decisions it would not have come down to just one play.

Under Rivera we are 0-7 in games decided by a touchdown or less this year and 1-12 overall in close games.He waste time outs as bad as any coach I have ever seen.He allowed Chud to cripple our offensive weapons at the beginning of the season. I just have not seen enough from him to inspire me to want to keep him and I am sure a new gm won't either.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 11:14 PM

Rivera has NOT brainwashed them

John Fox has


Cause this is deja-vu all over with the end of year crap

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 11:31 PM

Look, at the basics. If you want Rivera, back the no Gettis.

Why did you say no Gettis? I actually thought Gettis and LaFell had sorta the same stats as Dez and he was a 1st round pick during their rookie seasons. To add to the fact, our guys had Clausen most of the season.