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One thing I fear. We beat the Raiders but lose to the Saints..

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I don't think wins and losses matter at this point.

Rivera and his staff (OC and DC particularly) have all shown huge improvements in the last couple of games. Offense is handing the ball to RBs more and Defense is playing more aggressive with CBs - maybe Norman was the problem there. STs looks a lot better too, but that probably has more to do with our new kicker - Gano. He would have been huge against CHI.

But with that being said, Rivera should interview for his job and the new GM picks the best man for HC. Rivera should have to explain the slow start and what was done to cause this new improved play. If the answer is, the guys are stepping up, then he shouldn't be retained. What did he do to directly impact improvement?

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What I fear is for JR to sense the RR is trending upwards after winning out this season, Ron stays, then he goes back to playing "safe ball" next season when the games start to matter again... then we are yet another year from seeing any improvement.

I was looking forward to this season more than ever before and to have to endure this disappointment again next season would be too much!

So if that happens then he gets fired next year and we move on. Look at all the first year records of new coaches. Sure we can find a few who were instantly successful but for the most part they waited until year 2 or later to win more than they lost. If we make a change we are likely to have a losing record anyway. The reality is that keeping the same system and coach are more likely to produce a winning season than making a change if the main criteria is simple next year.

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Tom Coughlin (36 - 7), Sean Payton (45 - 17), John Fox (36 - 14). All good coaches that handed Ron his clipboard..

I don't think that Ron is anywhere near a top talent coach and I don't think he's got the stuff to be one either. Against good coaches he get's beat badly and can't seem to adapt to the circumstances.

As for Cam learning a new system, I have no worries. He's been able to excel in any offense he is given, hands down. There's also a good possibility that a new coach would stick to the Air Corryell, especially if that HC was named Bill..

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Agree with this. He has his chances. Should have went for it on 4th and 1 in Atlanta and won the game. Our season went down the shitter with that fail. Or the Bucs collapse. Or the bears collapse. This guy is a choker

Using that logic the choker was Newton. He was the one who had the first down on third down and fumbled it backwards so there was even a 4th down. He threw the pick 6 against Chicago that let them back in the game (Yeah I know Smitty fell down), and he was the one that couldn't pick up a first down against Tampa which allowed them to get the ball back to score at the end.

So are we going to get a new quarterback or is your logic flawed??

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Tom Coughlin (36 - 7), Sean Payton (45 - 17), John Fox (36 - 14). All good coaches that handed Ron his clipboard..

I don't think that Ron is anywhere near a top talent coach and I don't think he's got the stuff to be one either. Against good coaches he get's beat badly and can't seem to adapt to the circumstances.

As for Cam learning a new system, I have no worries. He's been able to excel in any offense he is given, hands down. There's also a good possibility that a new coach would stick to the Air Corryell, especially if that HC was named Bill..

How would you have assessed BIll Belicheck after 2 years in Cleveland?? Never going to be a good coach??

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Well I hope we lost both so we can get rid of Rivera and draft in the top 10

Sounds like a win to me

And this kind of logic baffles me. Why would you want to lose 2 games which can build a team's confidence and show them how to win late so we can draft number 7 versus 14 for example. No one in the draft between 7-14 will make so much of a difference to our team that we would want to tank 2 games. Talk about loser mentality.......

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How would you have assessed BIll Belicheck after 2 years in Cleveland?? Never going to be a good coach??

It took longer than his 5 years in Cleveland to make him a good coach.

Should we give Ron 6 just to be safe?

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So if that happens then he gets fired next year and we move on. Look at all the first year records of new coaches. Sure we can find a few who were instantly successful but for the most part they waited until year 2 or later to win more than they lost. If we make a change we are likely to have a losing record anyway. The reality is that keeping the same system and coach are more likely to produce a winning season than making a change if the main criteria is simple next year.

Didn't Jimmy Johnson go 1-15 his first year with the Cowboys? Rivera has made some questionable decisions throughout the season, but alot of them are hindsight is 20/20 type situations. I think he, Chud and McD have learned alot this year. And more than anything, I think Cam has learned this year.

The staff knows their players better and how to best put them in situations to succeed. Cam has finally figured out that a 2-5 yard pass to an open RB/TE can mean 10-15 yards in YAC.

This team is much better than it was early in the season and they know it. No team in the league with playoff implications would want to play the Panthers right now. With this Cam Newton, and this playcalling, the Panthers would be in the playoff hunt.

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To me, the Raiders game is more significant... we should beat the Raiders... if we don't then that's pretty damming for Rivera I would think.

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I want gone anyway, as long as we have a good replacement.

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It took longer than his 5 years in Cleveland to make him a good coach.

Should we give Ron 6 just to be safe?

Actually Belicheck got Cleveland in the playoffs year 4. And if Rivera doesn't have a winning season next year I would move on. But you said that based on 2 years you could tell he never would be a good coach and I showed where your logic doesn't hold up and some coaches who are great ended up struggling for the first 2 years in their first gig. I can also show you coaches that has winning seasons early but went downhill after that. That absolute that you know that he will never amount to anything is where I disagree.

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The problem I have with Rivera is that the entire playcalling philosophy changed once we were mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.

We are now running an offense that most of us on here were begging for earlier in the year.

Our defense is now pressuring the QB with some different blitz looks while our defensive backs are pressing up on receivers.

There are a ton of good things you can say about Rivera (inheriting a 2 win disaster and each week putting out a competitive team <broncos and Giants games being the exception>). He also still has the lockerroom which is a good thing.

The point of my post was just to illustrate the thing that bothers me the most about Rivera. I don't know if he should be fired or retained. I can tell you that if it were my decision, I would probably look at doing either of the following: 1. Bringing in a coordinator with previous head coaching experience. 2. Getting rid of Rivera for a coach that has prior head coaching experience.

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