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Yet another Chip Kelly source/rumor

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I love all the hype and speculation that goes on this time of year but,

I think some of you are overlooking a very important word...............finance

JR is not going to throw top dollar at a risky investment with a totally new and expensive staff

(which some of you say will have to be a vet OC and DC in order for Kelly to succeed)

while having to pay his current staff for the next two years...............not going to happen.

JR didn't get to where he is in life by chasing the new shiney toys and pissing away Millions of dollars.

But to be fair, what he's done and who he's brought in, hasn't translated to much success. If Rivera IS let go, its time to think outside his norm.

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Cam should have, at most, 2 designed QB runs per game. I don't watch college ball, but it sounds like Kelly runs some kind of full time option scheme, and that's the exact opposite of what we need.

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Cam should have, at most, 2 designed QB runs per game. I don't watch college ball, but it sounds like Kelly runs some kind of full time option scheme, and that's the exact opposite of what we need.

Kelly himself said he'd have to create a different O style for the pros. BUT in his current college scheme, the QB gets FAR less carries. They rely on their backs to do the running. I'd imagine our O would be similar to the Pats, but with wrinkles to fit Cams overall abilities.

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Then he sounds good to me.

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Kelly himself said he'd have to create a different O style for the pros. BUT in his current college scheme, the QB gets FAR less carries. They rely on their backs to do the running. I'd imagine our O would be similar to the Pats, but with wrinkles to fit Cams overall abilities.

With all due respect, I don't think our offense would be anything like the Pats'. Brady has near zero mobility while Cam has unlimited mobility. If Kelly came here, he would make Cam's dual threat ability the centerpiece of the offense.

Whether that is a good or bad thing is open to debate.

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With all due respect, I don't think our offense would be anything like the Pats'. Brady has near zero mobility while Cam has unlimited mobility. If Kelly came here, he would make Cam's dual threat ability the centerpiece of the offense.

Whether that is a good or bad thing is open to debate.

I think a lot of it would, and Cam would have a longer career as a result.

Cam runs in moderation added of course, Brady is a sloth compared to Cam.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2012/10/08/patriots-huddle-relies-power-one/nHTapuVnBOwfFlffwTrN6J/story.html

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With all due respect, I don't think our offense would be anything like the Pats'. Brady has near zero mobility while Cam has unlimited mobility. If Kelly came here, he would make Cam's dual threat ability the centerpiece of the offense.

Whether that is a good or bad thing is open to debate.

What KG said.

The Pats are already running a form similar to what Kelly would run. And as I stated above they'd add wrinkles to fit Cams overall abilities (his running).

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With all due respect, I don't think our offense would be anything like the Pats'. Brady has near zero mobility while Cam has unlimited mobility. If Kelly came here, he would make Cam's dual threat ability the centerpiece of the offense.

Whether that is a good or bad thing is open to debate.

i think it would be a centerpiece, but more of a ruse.

cam would be used enough as a runner to warrant the defense always needing to have someone spying on him but use that threat to open up other options.

that's essentially what he does at oregon...not with the QB running the ball, but the option and the dual threat runner (RB or QB...whose it gonna be?)

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i think it would be a centerpiece, but more of a ruse.

cam would be used enough as a runner to warrant the defense always needing to have someone spying on him but use that threat to open up other options.

that's essentially what he does at oregon...not with the QB running the ball, but the option and the dual threat runner (RB or QB...whose it gonna be?)

That's what I think too. And again, it's open to debate as to whether that is a good thing or not.

I have a lot of respect for you and many of the posters that have been pushing Kelly. I'm just not convinced that is the way to go.

The last 5 or 6 games we've played have demonstrated that our offense can be very effective using a more "conservative" scheme. Lot's of 2 TE, max protect, play action passing and power running, with a dose of read option and spread formations. We know this works. Why wouldn't we want to hire someone that runs this type scheme? It certainly wouldn't be because we can't score enough points, as this offense has been very explosive once we changed up game planning. And it comes with the added benefit of ball control, and that is still important in the NFL.

Many on here talk about Kelly's flexibility, and that he can adapt his offense to the players and the league, and that may be true. But you are asking us to take a leap of faith because we know what kind of offense we've seen Kelly run historically. That's a leap I'm just not ready to take yet.

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That's what I think too. And again, it's open to debate as to whether that is a good thing or not.

I have a lot of respect for you and many of the posters that have been pushing Kelly. I'm just not convinced that is the way to go.

The last 5 or 6 games we've played have demonstrated that our offense can be very effective using a more "conservative" scheme. Lot's of 2 TE, max protect, play action passing and power running, with a dose of read option and spread formations. We know this works. Why wouldn't we want to hire someone that runs this type scheme? It certainly wouldn't be because we can't score enough points, as this offense has been very explosive once we changed up game planning. And it comes with the added benefit of ball control, and that is still important in the NFL.

Many on here talk about Kelly's flexibility, and that he can adapt his offense to the players and the league, and that may be true. But you are asking us to take a leap of faith because we know what kind of offense we've seen Kelly run historically. That's a leap I'm just not ready to take yet.

2 TE passing scheme wasn't heavily used until NE used it. Guess who NE brought it to create them a super good offense highlighting Brady/Gronk/Hernandez? Omg Chip Kelly! Bring him here now. He will create an offense that maximizes success out of cam and the teams skill set. The traditional play action pass scheme works too but just like of an offense that works even better that is completely new and opposing defenses have no tape on next season. Taking candy from a baby. And guess what kelly transforms his offense during the game. So mid game adjustments for the other team? Forget about them. The other teams won't know what hit them. We have a chance for something beautiful but I feel a lot of people in this thread are very close minded(not you specifically) who think kelly will just run a college offensive. That's simply not true. Besides him being a great offensive mind/gameplanner he's a great leader something rivera is not.

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That's what I think too. And again, it's open to debate as to whether that is a good thing or not.

I have a lot of respect for you and many of the posters that have been pushing Kelly. I'm just not convinced that is the way to go.

The last 5 or 6 games we've played have demonstrated that our offense can be very effective using a more "conservative" scheme. Lot's of 2 TE, max protect, play action passing and power running, with a dose of read option and spread formations. We know this works. Why wouldn't we want to hire someone that runs this type scheme? It certainly wouldn't be because we can't score enough points, as this offense has been very explosive once we changed up game planning. And it comes with the added benefit of ball control, and that is still important in the NFL.

Many on here talk about Kelly's flexibility, and that he can adapt his offense to the players and the league, and that may be true. But you are asking us to take a leap of faith because we know what kind of offense we've seen Kelly run historically. That's a leap I'm just not ready to take yet.

the thing is that aside from the tempo, there's really nothing all that "liberal" or whatever about what he does.

it's a lot of max protect, 2TE, play action, and power running. and it is a ball control, not in that they keep the ball for 30 minutes or whatever because they score fast, but it's not all that risky at all. when they get the ball, they score. it's trying to control the score rather than the clock.

when people say they know what kind of offense he runs and then say it's just a read option offense, i don't think they've actually done a lot of research into what they actually do. there is read option, but it's really not the big deal that people make it out to be. we may not run it now, but i think a lot of it has to do with chud calling the plays and not really having the best OL for much of anything right now.

it's really not that different than what we do now aside from the pace and the formations and, well, having someone that's more opportunistic than chud. it's running to set up the pass. again, i don't know what's so crazy about that.

but what really gets me about what we do now is that i don't trust rivera's game planning or management. i think kelly is much better at game management. he's a lot more cut throat. i also like the way kelly runs his team and his practices. i think the team would be a lot more practiced and prepared and disciplined with kelly.

people make far too big an issue about the read option. it's not the bugaboo people make it out to be.

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Cam has one of the highest QB ratings the past 5-6 games in the league. Whatever we are doing now on offense...needs to stay that way...

We can talk about all the great things Kelly can do on offense...but look at the strides this defense has made this season. I hate on Rivera so hard...but the defense is looking awesome...can't hate on him for that...there is more than one phase of the game to consider..

Just a point

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