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Honest question, Rayzor...

What do you see as the main factor(s) that has held back the Oregon teams and kept them from winning it all?

One of the main factors is a former Auburn QB that we all know.

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Cam has one of the highest QB ratings the past 5-6 games in the league. Whatever we are doing now on offense...needs to stay that way...

We can talk about all the great things Kelly can do on offense...but look at the strides this defense has made this season. I hate on Rivera so hard...but the defense is looking awesome...can't hate on him for that...there is more than one phase of the game to consider..

Just a point

Can we also keep playing teams like San Diego, Philly and Kansas City?

Well not KC, we couldn't beat them.

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Cam has one of the highest QB ratings the past 5-6 games in the league. Whatever we are doing now on offense...needs to stay that way...

We can talk about all the great things Kelly can do on offense...but look at the strides this defense has made this season. I hate on Rivera so hard...but the defense is looking awesome...can't hate on him for that...there is more than one phase of the game to consider..

Just a point

We have 5 win's with 2 games to go, with most of those wins against bad teams, let's not go down to deep on Rivera.

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2 TE passing scheme wasn't heavily used until NE used it. Guess who NE brought it to create them a super good offense highlighting Brady/Gronk/Hernandez? Omg Chip Kelly!

2 TE formations have been around since dirt was created. Are we going to give Kelly credit for that too? Just last year, we had 2 dynamic pass catching TE's, so it's not like NE has invented something new with Gronk and Hernandez.

The biggest influence Kelly has probably had on NE is with their one-word play calls. That allows them to run their no huddle offense at a faster pace. However, Kelly isn't the only coach that has provided tips to NE, as BB also has had frequent input from guys like Urban Meyer and Lou Saban.

Look, I'm not dead set against Kelly. He interests me and is a guy worth looking at. But let's keep things in perspective. Giving him credit for the use of 2 TE's in the passing game is just ridiculous.

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...but what really gets me about what we do now is that i don't trust rivera's game planning or management. i think kelly is much better at game management. he's a lot more cut throat. i also like the way kelly runs his team and his practices. i think the team would be a lot more practiced and prepared and disciplined with kelly.

I don't trust our game planning or management either, especially on the offensive side. Kelly's ability to get the most out of his players is definitely intriguing. His teams never seem to come out totally flat. They get beat sometimes, but they never look unprepared.

I promise to keep an open mind in regards to Kelly, so don't give up on me yet.

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2 TE formations have been around since dirt was created. Are we going to give Kelly credit for that too? Just last year, we had 2 dynamic pass catching TE's, so it's not like NE has invented something new with Gronk and Hernandez.

The biggest influence Kelly has probably had on NE is with their one-word play calls. That allows them to run their no huddle offense at a faster pace. However, Kelly isn't the only coach that has provided tips to NE, as BB also has had frequent input from guys like Urban Meyer and Lou Saban.

Look, I'm not dead set against Kelly. He interests me and is a guy worth looking at. But let's keep things in perspective. Giving him credit for the use of 2 TE's in the passing game is just ridiculous.

Agreed.

Having said that, what kind of credit should a HC get that has actually utilized the two tight end formation to great success but abandons it the very next season for a disjointed, anemic offense? Then, to make things worse, he doesn't recognize/acknowledge his bad judgment and throws away half a season before there is any sign of his OC attempting to correct the error?

Thank you sir, may I have another? (season of that kind of leadership/thinking)

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2 TE formations have been around since dirt was created. Are we going to give Kelly credit for that too? Just last year, we had 2 dynamic pass catching TE's, so it's not like NE has invented something new with Gronk and Hernandez.

The biggest influence Kelly has probably had on NE is with their one-word play calls. That allows them to run their no huddle offense at a faster pace. However, Kelly isn't the only coach that has provided tips to NE, as BB also has had frequent input from guys like Urban Meyer and Lou Saban.

Look, I'm not dead set against Kelly. He interests me and is a guy worth looking at. But let's keep things in perspective. Giving him credit for the use of 2 TE's in the passing game is just ridiculous.

you act like a gave him that credit. of course 2 TE sets have been around long before kelly but tell me another team that used 2 TE as their main receivers. we used 2 TE also...when we copied from NE. this is a copy cat league. you copy what other teams do well cause it works. we copied from NE when the 2 TE worked. Why not bring in a guy who doesnt copy but creates? the main reason cam made a huge splash was no one had tape on him. no one will have tape on a cam/kelly offense. it becomes that much more deadly when you dont even know what to prepare for.

can you tell me with a straight face that youd rather have Ron over that? cause i cant.

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you act like a gave him that credit. of course 2 TE sets have been around long before kelly but tell me another team that used 2 TE as their main receivers. we used 2 TE also...when we copied from NE. this is a copy cat league. you copy what other teams do well cause it works. we copied from NE when the 2 TE worked. Why not bring in a guy who doesnt copy but creates? the main reason cam made a huge splash was no one had tape on him. no one will have tape on a cam/kelly offense. it becomes that much more deadly when you dont even know what to prepare for.

can you tell me with a straight face that youd rather have Ron over that? cause i cant.

This isn't a Ron vs. Chip argument.

I just get the impression you haven't been watching football for very long. I'm not trying to be condescending, but you keep making these statements that are just silly. First, the one about NE learning how to use a 2 TE offense from Kelly, and now, that our offense last year used 2 TE's to move the ball because we copied NE.

Child, please.

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This isn't a Ron vs. Chip argument.

I just get the impression you haven't been watching football for very long. I'm not trying to be condescending, but you keep making these statements that are just silly. First, the one about NE learning how to use a 2 TE offense from Kelly, and now, that our offense last year used 2 TE's to move the ball because we copied NE.

Child, please.

you keep making assertions that i said kelly showed them the 2 TE offense I did not. second, you completely dodged the question of me asking you to find any team that has used the 2 TE as main receivers? Gronk had Megatron stats last year. a TE having WR stats is usually unheard of. the 2 TE mega season NE had was in 2011 kelly wasnt brought in until after that season. of course he didnt show them that but he did give them suggestions on spread and no huddle which highlights gronk and hernandez because there is more than likely a miss match of a LB on one of them.

dont ever child please me. ive been watching football for a long time. i dont make dumb misinformed assertions about your life dont make them about mine.

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dont ever child please me. ive been watching football for a long time. i dont make dumb misinformed assertions about your life dont make them about mine.

Sorry if I offended you, but the reality is you are still very young (and that is a good thing, believe me) and there were some spectacular TE's doing things before you were born.

If you have the time, do some research on Kellen Winslow Sr. or Shannon Sharpe. They put up Megatron type seasons (for that era) and were true game changers.

NE happens to have 2 very talented tight ends, and when you couple that with a QB like Brady, good things are going to happen. My only point is that it's not something revolutionary that is happening with that offense. What is going on in NE, and this applies to Kelly's input into the system as well, isn't tearing up the league because defenses are overly confused by it. It's tearing up the league because it is being run by really, really good players.

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Sorry if this is a dumb question (I'm kinda ignorant on anything coaching-related in the NFL), but is there any chance JR could bring in Chip Kelly as our HC and demote Rivera to be our defensive coordinator? I think Ron would be an ideal fit for our DC and already presumably has a strong relationship with our players, but I've just never heard of a head coach getting demoted to a coordinator position. I dunno if it's a pride thing or if there are rules against it or what, but it sounds like a good idea to me....

I like what Rivera has done with our defense this season (assuming he has taken reins a bit from McDermott like people have suggested), but I just hate his decision-making. If we could keep Rivera working with our D but have someone else come in that can overrule any of Rivera's dumb decisions, I'd feel a lot better about our team next season.

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