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Posted 24 December 2012 - 01:15 AM

I'll eventually get a mock draft up (probably about a month before the draft), I usually watch much more college football but since I started working I didn't have enough time to unless I got to watch them while I was in the football center, also it helped that the Heels had a postseason ban so my heart wasn't too attached to the college game this year.

However, if I can toot my own horn. My mock draft was pretty successful, I correctly picked three of the guys we drafted (Kuechly, Adams, and Alexander). Also if I can say so myself, I called the Cam Newton (I was turned on to Cam by a friend that works at Auburn) pick an astonishing 7 months before the draft and I called the Kuechly pick 4 months before it happened; so when I finally do get it up, please check it out.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 01:24 AM

I'll eventually get a mock draft up (probably about a month before the draft), I usually watch much more college football but since I started working I didn't have enough time to unless I got to watch them while I was in the football center, also it helped that the Heels had a postseason ban so my heart wasn't too attached to the college game this year.

However, if I can toot my own horn. My mock draft was pretty successful, I correctly picked three of the guys we drafted (Kuechly, Adams, and Alexander). Also if I can say so myself, I called the Cam Newton (I was turned on to Cam by a friend that works at Auburn) pick an astonishing 7 months before the draft and I called the Kuechly pick 4 months before it happened; so when I finally do get it up, please check it out.


Give me three guys you'll be mocking for next season. Im hoping its guys I like.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 01:33 AM

Give me three guys you'll be mocking for next season. Im hoping its guys I like.


Hah to be honest I have no idea, haven't paid much attention. At the school I go to they got this cool thing for college football players where it puts stats in an excel spreadsheet for every play so I'll have to check it out.

In the first, I'm pretty much down to Richardson, Jenkins, Warmack, and Fisher. I believe it will be a defensive tackle or an offensive lineman because usually those positions can just fit right in and learn on the fly. I have learned that rookie receivers usually take more time to develop (perfect example: Justin Blackmon and Cecil Shorts who is in his second or third year are just coming into there own).

Beyond the first round, you know more than I do. However, a lot of people are throwing Phillip Adams name around, so I will definitely check him out.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 01:42 AM

Hah to be honest I have no idea, haven't paid much attention. At the school I go to they got this cool thing for college football players where it puts stats in an excel spreadsheet for every play so I'll have to check it out.

In the first, I'm pretty much down to Richardson, Jenkins, Warmack, and Fisher. I believe it will be a defensive tackle or an offensive lineman because usually those positions can just fit right in and learn on the fly. I have learned that rookie receivers usually take more time to develop (perfect example: Justin Blackmon and Cecil Shorts who is in his second or third year are just coming into there own).

Beyond the first round, you know more than I do. However, a lot of people are throwing Phillip Adams name around, so I will definitely check him out.


I was hoping you'll give me three names I like so I can be more optimistic lol. There will definitely be some sleepers in the mid to late. Cant never really hit on those guys.

Those you cant really say that wide receivers usually take more time to develop. Blackmon is actually having a pretty good season for the Jags especially on a team with an overall bad offense and no QB. Heck put Blackmon on our team with Cam and alongside of Smitty and he'd wouldve have a better season. Recent rookies like Torrey Smith, Dez, Nicks, all have pretty good success. I do though believe that receivers later in the draft will have a harder time to develop like Cecil (4th rd) and Lafell (3rd). Though Cecil been pretty good and probably better than Lafell or Gettis.

and who's Phillip Adams???

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 01:50 AM

I was hoping you'll give me three names I like so I can be more optimistic lol. There will definitely be some sleepers in the mid to late. Cant never really hit on those guys.

Those you cant really say that wide receivers usually take more time to develop. Blackmon is actually having a pretty good season for the Jags especially on a team with an overall bad offense and no QB. Heck puut him on our team with Cam and another weapon in Smitty and he'd wouldve have a better season. Recent rookies like Torrey Smith, Dez, Nicks, all have pretty good success. I do though believe that receivers later in the draft will have a harder time to develop like Cecil (4th rd) and Lafell (3rd). Though Cecil been pretty good and probably better than Lafell or Gettis.

and who's Phillip Adams???


I'm talking about a wide receiver coming in for their first year and starting to produce from game one. My point was that most stud rookie receivers don't start to get it until their second year (except for A.J Green). Blackmon didn't start playing well until about three weeks ago.

I actually had this conversation with one of the coaches that I work for and he said that the speed of the game is so much different from the college level to the NFL level that it will take at least a full year to truly see how well a receiver will actually be.

Example: Brandon LaFell.

Also, I had the wrong name, the safety's name is Phillip Thomas. Phillip Adams is a safety for the Raiders lol.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 02:22 AM

I'm talking about a wide receiver coming in for their first year and starting to produce from game one. My point was that most stud rookie receivers don't start to get it until their second year (except for A.J Green). Blackmon didn't start playing well until about three weeks ago.

I actually had this conversation with one of the coaches that I work for and he said that the speed of the game is so much different from the college level to the NFL level that it will take at least a full year to truly see how well a receiver will actually be.

Example: Brandon LaFell.

Also, I had the wrong name, the safety's name is Phillip Thomas. Phillip Adams is a safety for the Raiders lol.


I wouldnt consider Lafell in this conversation as someone who could be very good in the future. I really believe he'll be gone and forgotten about pretty soon.

Though back to our conversation, I'd have to disagree with you. Here's why:
Going back to 2008, here is how it looks from the 1st and 2nd rounder receivers who are high prospects coming out only
(2008) Donnie Avery 53rec 674yds 3tds, DeSean Jackson 62rec 912yds 2tds
(2009) Jeremy Maclin 56 773yds 4tds, Percy Harvin 60rec 790yds 6tds, Hakeem Nicks 47rec 790yds 6tds, Kenny Britt 42rec 701yds 3tds (not including DHB and Crabtree)
(2010) Dez Bryant 45rec 561yds 6tds
(2011) AJ Green 65rec 1057yds 7tds, Julio Jones 54rec 959yds 8tds, Greg Little 61rec 709yds 2tds, Torrey Smith 50rec 841yds 7tds
(2012) Justin Blackmon 58rec 786yds 4tds

These receivers had pretty good impact in their rookie season. Other than Green and Julio, all are very good stats. I believe that if a receiver is projected highly as a 1st or 2nd rounder that they will be able to have some impact as a rookie. Im not going as far down for a 4th rd. or later prospect bc they'll def needs more time to develop and sometimes theyre guys listed as inactives in their rookie season. A highly projected receiver may not always give you the AJ Green impact but they will def be good enough as a no.2 wr. They will have some impact and I dont believe that they need more times to develop.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 02:29 AM

But those guys were drafted to be number one's and only two put up number one type numbers AJ and Julio.

Sure the wide receiver will impact the game but if you want to see an impact right away, I think you need to draft a guy where you're the weakest at.

Also if we draft another receiver right now when Smith still has three good years left in him, you can say buh-bye to LaFell, because he's not going to play third fiddle, nor should he have too.

If I'm the Panthers, I wait two more years before drafting Steve's successor and either draft a wide out in the fourth to be your slot guy, or sign one (Brandon Gibson, Andrew Hawkins, Devery Henderson, Johnny Knox, or Brandon Stokely all come to mind).

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 02:35 AM

But those guys were drafted to be number one's and only two put up number one type numbers AJ and Julio.

Sure the wide receiver will impact the game but if you want to see an impact right away, I think you need to draft a guy where you're the weakest at.

Also if we draft another receiver right now when Smith still has three good years left in him, you can say buh-bye to LaFell, because he's not going to play third fiddle, nor should he have too.

If I'm the Panthers, I wait two more years before drafting Steve's successor and either draft a wide out in the fourth to be your slot guy, or sign one (Brandon Gibson, Andrew Hawkins, Devery Henderson, Johnny Knox, or Brandon Stokely all come to mind).


That's what you want. A guy that is drafted to be your no.1. No team draft a WR to be a no.3 or 4.

And no way to waiting a couple year to draft Smitty successor. We should've done drafted one two three years back. We need one now and I can proudly say buh bye to Lafell. Brandon isn't going to be our no.1 or even no.2. He shown it that he's capable of disappearing in games and at beast a no.3.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 02:46 AM

To me Brandon is a capable number two, personally my guy is Marquis Lee (USC, unanimous All-American and winner of the Biletnikoff Award) so I can wait another year.

We have seen what this offense can do (with the pieces we have in place now) when Chud calls a good game. This offense can make it to the playoffs with the the wide outs and tight ends it has.

I personally would like to focus on shoring up the offensive line, defensive line, and secondary. If we fix those three things in this years draft and free agency, then I personally would trade up to draft Marquis Lee (much like Atlanta did with Julio Jones last year).

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 03:00 AM

I for one would take Aaron Dobson out of Marshall in this years draft (cut ties Gettis and Adams) and sign Johnny Knox

Leaving you with

1. Steve Smith
2. Brandon LaFell
3. Johnny Knox
4. Aaron Dobson
5. Louis Murphy

Then trade up to draft Lee next year.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 03:03 AM

Btw this is Dobson











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Posted 24 December 2012 - 04:26 AM

Hahaha "not to toot my own horn but, BRAG BRAG BRAG".

Cam newton was a no brainer. Anyone that knew our coach was Ron Rovera and that our owner is JR knew that we were drafting Kuechly months in advance if he was available.

Oh, hey, I called the Amini Silatolu pick while we're bragging. CHECK MA MOCK GUYZ!

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 10:01 AM

Hahaha "not to toot my own horn but, BRAG BRAG BRAG".

Cam newton was a no brainer. Anyone that knew our coach was Ron Rovera and that our owner is JR knew that we were drafting Kuechly months in advance if he was available.

Oh, hey, I called the Amini Silatolu pick while we're bragging. CHECK MA MOCK GUYZ!


Yea buddy

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 10:06 AM

To me Brandon is a capable number two, personally my guy is Marquis Lee (USC, unanimous All-American and winner of the Biletnikoff Award) so I can wait another year.

We have seen what this offense can do (with the pieces we have in place now) when Chud calls a good game. This offense can make it to the playoffs with the the wide outs and tight ends it has.

I personally would like to focus on shoring up the offensive line, defensive line, and secondary. If we fix those three things in this years draft and free agency, then I personally would trade up to draft Marquis Lee (much like Atlanta did with Julio Jones last year).


Yea I guess I really can wait another year to take a WR in a better draft class. I mean when you look at two of the better NFC team and even in the NFL itself in Seattle and SF, both of these team doesn't have your best receivers. They're your old school, punch you in the mouth football teams. Rivera if still here next season should really focus on strengthening our Defense and being more physical there especially on the secondary. We need to focus more on having a power running game to set us for the passing game. We could still win games without a lot of help at receivers if we can ball like Seattle and SF.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 10:52 AM

rookie WRs dont produce because of the QB.the only reason Blackmon just started producing was because of the QB change that accured.waiting a year will only hurt the offense production, and if smitty goes down........................


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