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#46 longhorncat

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 11:43 PM

Seems like as good a place as any to post this:

"ALAMEDA, Calif. (AP) -- Oakland Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer suffered cracked ribs and a bruised lung after a hard hit by Carolina linebacker Greg Hardy and will not play in the team's final game."

#47 thunderraiden

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 02:38 AM

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#48 tiger7_88

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 10:51 AM

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Facemask up and the eyes can see the numbers? That's textbook tackling technique taught at every level from junior to high school to college.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 12:52 AM

You cannot hit anyone with your helmet. Hardy's helmet is in Palmer's back. That is a penalty.

Keep your helmet out of the tackle and you are good. Or, tackle with the shoulder pads. That is what you are taught. See what you hit, and hit it with your shoulder pads.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 01:02 AM

You cannot hit anyone with your helmet. Hardy's helmet is in Palmer's back. That is a penalty.

Keep your helmet out of the tackle and you are good. Or, tackle with the shoulder pads. That is what you are taught. See what you hit, and hit it with your shoulder pads.


See what you hit? His eyes are up, he can clearly see what he's hitting. And try keeping your helmet out of a tackle, you supposed to be leaning your head back while tackling

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 01:07 AM

See what you hit? His eyes are up, he can clearly see what he's hitting. And try keeping your helmet out of a tackle, you supposed to be leaning your head back while tackling


Exactly. I am having a hard time figuring out how you lead with your pads without your helmet touching their body.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 01:21 AM

Exactly. I am having a hard time figuring out how you lead with your pads without your helmet touching their body.


My solution is that QBs have side-ribcage airbags .. We all win.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 07:11 AM

Perhaps this thread should be merged with the fines thread where the actual rule is quoted and the discussion's pretty much the same.

Answer is:
- hit opponent with his helmet (doesn't matter which part) first
- was judged to be unnecessarily violent (as opposed to wrapping up with shoulders and arms)
- had to be more than just a flag after it removed their QB from the game (and ended his season)

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 07:54 AM

What you said above is key: HE PUT HIS *FACEMASK* INTO PALMERS RIBS.

NOT the crown of his helmet.

Leading with the crown of your helmet (i.e. spearing) is and should be a penalty.


Read the rule:

(f) If a player uses any part of his helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/”hairline” parts) or facemask...



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Posted 29 December 2012 - 08:15 AM

It was not a penalty... it was the kind of tackle the NFL was using as an example of a textbook tackle. It was violent, when a 290 man hits someone from the blindside it's never gonna be pretty.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 08:56 AM

Read the rule:


You forgot to finish that rule:

(f) If a player uses any part of his helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/”hairline” parts) or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily.


Doesn't apply.

#57 MadHatter

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 09:40 AM

You forgot to finish that rule:



Doesn't apply.


Doesn't apply? Please go on and tell us why.



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Posted 29 December 2012 - 09:51 AM

Yeah, why not?

Bottom line here is there is one entity, the NFL, that has legal council in every state they play in ... vs ... a message board poster's opinion.

The rule is "pretty" clear, enough so that the NFL not only found the hit to be in violation, but also that it deserved restitution (the fine).

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 10:47 AM

It was not a penalty...

3rd and 1 at OAK 29 C.Palmer pass incomplete short right to D.Moore [G.Hardy]. OAK-C.Palmer was injured during the play. He is Out. PENALTY on CAR-G.Hardy, Roughing the Passer, 15 yards, enforced at OAK 29 - No Play.

http://scores.espn.g...ameId=321223029

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 10:58 AM

Almost every hit there is contact with the defender's helmet