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Cam Newton likely to be fined by NFL for bumping official

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[quote][color=#000000][font=Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif][size=4]In 2009, receiver [/size][/font][/color][url="http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/1501/brandon-stokley"]Brandon Stokley[/url][color=#000000][font=Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif][size=4] was ejected from a game and [/size][/font][/color][url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/31/stokley-fined-25000/"]fined $25,000[/url][color=#000000][font=Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif][size=4] for making unintended contact with an official while disputing a call. That same season, Raiders tight end Tony Stewart was [/size][/font][/color][url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/31/stewart-fined-25000/"]fined $25,000[/url][color=#000000][font=Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif][size=4] for the same infraction.[/size][/font][/color][/quote]

I'm guessing that is what Cam gets unless they add in the "kick"

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[quote name='Happy Panther' timestamp='1356488862' post='2062248']
I don't ever recall a player or coach touching a ref and not being disciplined. Maybe you have a counterexample but I have always understood it to be an auto flag/fine.

"No Touchy"

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[img]http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/vince-young-high-five.jpg[/img]

Now I know this wasn't an aggressive or malicious high five. But according to "the rule", Vince Young should have been flagged and fined. He was not.

Do you seriously not see a player walk up to a ref and put their hand on the lower back of an official while talking to them? I've seen this and no flag was thrown. I've seen coaches on the sideline do the same. It's not a malicious or disrespectful act, so I always assumed that's why they were never flagged. You see players walk into the arm of an official while he is gesturing a penalty. No flag. Even draws a chuckle from some refs.

Accidental, non-aggressive, etc. None of these are flagged. All I am saying is that the rule of automatic flag/fine for touching a ref is not as clear cut as some people make it out to be. To be clear, however, I am not condoning what Cam did. As I said, he should have been flagged for what he did.

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[quote name='hitman80' timestamp='1356490655' post='2062283']
[img]http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/vince-young-high-five.jpg[/img]

Now I know this wasn't an aggressive or malicious high five. But according to "the rule", Vince Young should have been flagged and fined. He was not.

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lol ok dude

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[quote name='Happy Panther' timestamp='1356490698' post='2062284']


lol ok dude
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lol, you wanted an example and it was the quickest I could come up with. I have now used my yearly allowance of posting anything Vince Young.

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[quote name='ReturnOfPFFL' timestamp='1356482388' post='2062180']


I know right, I mean why shouldn't Cam Newton be able to get away with the same thing as established Superbowl winning, HOF bound quarterbacks?
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Shouldn't established Super Bowl quarterbacks be expected to be MORE mature than a 23 year old player?

If not, then why would we want cam to mature? Do you not agree that he should do everything he can to emulate a winner?
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I could have swore I saw Smitty walking with the ref after that play, as the offense walked off and the punt team came on... with his arm around the ref's shoulder or waist, talking to him as they left he field.... no flag for Smitty. And I also thought I saw a pic of that somewhere too...

Just my two cents.

I believe Cam will be fined because like the Ref explained, it was what he said. And the bump wasn't the reason for the flag.

it looked to me like cam stood up fast and lost his balance and took a step to gather himself WHILE yelling at the ref... thus the contact.

but I'm not the official, and I'm not the NFL... but whatever. I don't recall Cam getting getting hit anymore after that all happened either.

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Cam got them deep pockets. Aint no thing baby

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[quote name='hitman80' timestamp='1356488676' post='2062244']
The "touch a ref is an automatic fine" is pure BS. I see players in other games touch refs almost every week. It seems you can touch a ref as long as there is no aggression. From what I watch, they seem to let it slide unless it's disrespectful or malicious.

[b]But the way Cam snapped in the direction of the ref, whether it was for Boger or not, it's hard not to flag/fine him.[/b] I have no problem with this. Just hope it teaches him a lesson. Suspension would be harsh though.
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Where is that video clip? The one I keep seeing just shows him and the Ref slightly bumbing oh but so slightly when while he was getting up. Is there another clip with "Cam Snapped" part?


I am stunned that this is such a big deal. But I shouldn't be because it's Cam and folks just seem to enjoy creating silly controversy around him.
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[quote name='Alverez' timestamp='1356511867' post='2062462']
I could have swore I saw Smitty walking with the ref after that play, as the offense walked off and the punt team came on... with his arm around the ref's shoulder or waist, talking to him as they left he field.... no flag for Smitty. And I also thought I saw a pic of that somewhere too...

Just my two cents.

I believe Cam will be fined because like the Ref explained, it was what he said. And the bump wasn't the reason for the flag.

it looked to me like cam stood up fast and lost his balance and took a step to gather himself WHILE yelling at the ref... thus the contact.

but I'm not the official, and I'm not the NFL... but whatever. I don't recall Cam getting getting hit anymore after that all happened either.
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What did he say? and why isn't he allowed to state his case? It's not like he makes a habit out of it like a certain other QB.

I guess the NFL is quite selective on who can do what. And it seems like many Panther fans want Cam get in trouble with the NFL for any little thing he does, even if it's simply defending himself; while high fiving themselves when any of the other players, especially Smitty, get out of control in almost every game. I simply don't get the extreme attitude towards Cam...

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[quote name='hitman80' timestamp='1356490655' post='2062283']
[img]http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/vince-young-high-five.jpg[/img]

Now I know this wasn't an aggressive or malicious high five. But according to "the rule", Vince Young should have been flagged and fined. He was not.

Do you seriously not see a player walk up to a ref and put their hand on the lower back of an official while talking to them? I've seen this and no flag was thrown. I've seen coaches on the sideline do the same. It's not a malicious or disrespectful act, so I always assumed that's why they were never flagged. You see players walk into the arm of an official while he is gesturing a penalty. No flag. Even draws a chuckle from some refs.

Accidental, non-aggressive, etc. None of these are flagged. All I am saying is that the rule of automatic flag/fine for touching a ref is not as clear cut as some people make it out to be. To be clear, however, I am not condoning what Cam did. As I said, he should have been flagged for what he did.
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You need to condone what he did when it's clear he didn't do anything but get up and accidently bumbed into the Ref. If it was Luck, it would be seen as such and nothing would be made of it. It seems many on here were way to quick to jump to conclusions and since it's Cam, why bother admit they are wrong when it's easier to just create more weekly neagtive controversy around him.

BY the way, I thought your use of VY as an example to make your agument about touching a Ref was so funny and ironic. Especially since it's been the agenda of many to turn Cam into the next VY every since he entered the draft.
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I guess we will find out today if he is going to be fined.

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[quote name='Happy Panther' timestamp='1356479108' post='2062149']


The refs said it was not [i]malicious[/i]. Sure looked intentional to me.

[img]http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1358067/camkick2.gif[/img]

Many other players would have been ejected immediately.

Meh it's likely a fine. The NFL hands out multiple fines each week.

But touching a ref is automatic fine whether he meant to or not.
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If you don't think Cam should be fined for either of those moves, then you are the definition of an idiot blind Cam nut hugging homer.

He was justified to react like he did based on the cheap shots taken by the Raiders. But. Both actions definitely should be fined.

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