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Finishing 2nd in NFCS = more Rivera

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A win on Sunday is the difference between 2nd and 4th place in the division.

Rivera wins and I feel JR hires a GM that believes RR deserves one more year with Cam.

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I believe Rivera has already insured his return.

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[quote name='Jackofalltrades' timestamp='1356549699' post='2062771']
I believe Rivera has already insured his return.
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6-10, last place in the NFCS with multiple games lost bc of poor coaching in close games that matter? Winning a couple late when they didn't matter.

Sounds like a repeat of 2011. No improvement in virtually any aspect. More I think about it....to trend upwards Rivera needs this game IMO (which I didn't think earlier).

This game, in a world of meaningless games, actually has some meaning....which makes it the closest opportunity for him to show something in a game with a little meaning.....actually show he is improving.
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I dont care about the impact it has on RR i just want to beat the poo stains and be 2nd in the division. That sounds so much better than 6-10 and last place.

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still a losing record two years in a row.

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[quote name='CRA' timestamp='1356550371' post='2062785']
6-10, last place in the NFCS with multiple games lost bc of poor coaching in close games that matter? Winning a couple late when they didn't matter.

Sounds like a repeat of 2011. No improvement in virtually any aspect. More I think about it....to trend upwards Rivera needs this game IMO (which I didn't think earlier).

This game, in a world of meaningless games, actually has some meaning....which makes it the closest opportunity for him to show something in a game with a little meaning.....actually show he is improving.
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i think the key for me is what does he do if we have a lead of less than 3 TDs in the last 5-10 minutes of the game (which i don't see happening with this saints team).

does he give the saints an opportunity to possess the ball, depending on our D to try and keep them from scoring or does he try to keep the ball in the only safe place...in our possession? does he try and grow the score rather than try to "protect" it?

that will let me know how much he's learned this year.

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Yeah I rather Rivera have a 13-18 Record than a 12-19 Record. That's just me. beating the snot out of the Stains and getting 2nd in the division matter more to me than the future of Ron Rivera. I guess I'm indifferent towards the topic of him being fired or not.

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This is a hated division rival that ran up the score on us last year for their own personal enjoyment.

Destroy the Saints, Rivera.

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The D has vastly improved, so have the ST's and Cam as this year was wasted.

Jerry is a patient owner who wants to model the Panthers after Pitt and NYG, two other organizations who have benefited quite a bit from patience.

The record may not improve, but to say we haven't improved as a team is short sighted. We improved on ST and switched a good O for a good D. I think he should have next year to get it all together.

We usually give rookies a three year learning curve, so why not rookie coaches?
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[quote name='Jackofalltrades' timestamp='1356552758' post='2062810']
The D has vastly improved, so have the ST's and Cam as this year was wasted.

[b]Jerry is a patient owner who wants to model the Panthers after Pitt and N[/b]YG, two other organizations who have benefited quite a bit from patience.

The record may not improve, but to say we haven't improved as a team is short sighted. We improved on ST and switched a good O for a good D. I think he should have next year to get it all together.

We usually give rookies a three year learning curve, so why not rookie coaches?
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Yea and that's why we're in the position we're in now

How about model yourself after....


NOBODY

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time to see if little brother has grown up

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[quote name='PhillyB' timestamp='1356554413' post='2062838']
time to see if little brother has grown up
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I was wondering who'd reference that :lol:

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you know your franchise is poorly ran when your late season, job-saving turn around includes a loss to the worst team in the NFL

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i just want to see greg hardy turn drew brees into mr. mopeyhead

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[quote name='Jackofalltrades' timestamp='1356552758' post='2062810']
The D has vastly improved, so have the ST's and Cam as this year was wasted.

Jerry is a patient owner who wants to model the Panthers after Pitt and NYG, two other organizations who have benefited quite a bit from patience.

The record may not improve, but to say we haven't improved as a team is short sighted. We improved on ST and switched a good O for a good D. I think he should have next year to get it all together.

We usually give rookies a three year learning curve, so why not rookie coaches?
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so what we have is a better class of loser.

i'm resigned to the notion that instead of going after an upgrade we'll probably be trying the "patient" approach with rivera since we obviously seem fine with losing records as long as we are "better". i don't see switching for a good/elite offense to a good defense being improved. i don't see finishing with the same number of wins as last year being improved, but whatever.

i like seeing improvement. in game management i haven't seen much. aside form the last couple weeks i haven't seen a coaching staff willing to take advantage of a hungry team. i see a coaching staff willing to try and sit on a lead in an era in which the rules makes in incredibly easy for a team to launch it deep downfield and put themselves either in scoring position or in FG range quickly, regardless of where you start out. i don't think he's incredibly forward thinking and i don't think he's all that capable of out thinking most coaches.

he's a players coach...but that may not be what makes someone the best coach, at least not on their own. i think he's a great DC, and that's probably where he should have stayed.

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[quote name='beastson' timestamp='1356554155' post='2062831']

Yea and that's why we're in the position we're in now

How about model yourself after....


NOBODY
[/quote]agreed with that. forge your own way rather than trying to copy someone else who forged their own way.

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This team the last several weeks is the best we have had in several years. We actually have a top 10 defense and a good offense (thanks to Cam really working hard on reducing INTS and upping his game in general). I would love to see Cam play at this level for the rest of his career and now with a top ten D we should be in the playoffs regularly.

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Give me worst to first please ;)

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This team needs a coach who isn't afraid to put his foot up player's asses, figuratively. They are extremely spoilt. Especially the older players, who should be the leaders of this team but has yet to really step up and play their role. Instead it's left up to a rockie QB just because he's a QB. I strongly believe this is what separates this team from all the other teams out there. Way to spoilt, complacent and need to grow up. If Rivera isn't willing to stand up to the Smitty's and other senior players,who I can bet, are the ones really running the show in the locker-room, while you folks scream at Cam, then he needs to lose his job.

It's clear Fox wasn't the problem with this team because you're still struggling, despite the many fans' fantasies of season ending play-offs and SB rings. He's once again play-off bound with a different QB at the Helm of the Broncos. That's two season in a row since he got fired from the Panthers.

When will you folks realize what is the real problem is with this team and stop trying to pin it on everyone else?

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[quote name='rayzor' timestamp='1356554960' post='2062847']





i like seeing improvement. in game management i haven't seen much. aside form the last couple weeks i haven't seen a coaching staff willing to take advantage of a hungry team. i see a coaching staff willing to try and sit on a lead in an era in which the rules makes in incredibly easy for a team to launch it deep downfield and put themselves either in scoring position or in FG range quickly, regardless of where you start out. i don't think he's incredibly forward thinking and i don't think he's all that capable of out thinking
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This. Sums up exactly what happened in. The ATLANTA game. Not the cam fumble. Letting them get the ball back with two deep ball threat WRs when we have cam whose almost automatic from 1 yard out. He needs to go

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"trend upward"

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[quote name='footballisasport' timestamp='1356564327' post='2062949']
This team needs a coach who isn't afraid to put his foot up player's asses, figuratively. They are extremely spoilt. Especially the older players, who should be the leaders of this team but has yet to really step up and play their role. Instead it's left up to a rockie QB just because he's a QB. I strongly believe this is what separates this team from all the other teams out there. Way to spoilt, complacent and need to grow up. If Rivera isn't willing to stand up to the Smitty's and other senior players,who I can bet, are the ones really running the show in the locker-room, while you folks scream at Cam, then he needs to lose his job.

It's clear Fox wasn't the problem with this team because you're still struggling, despite the many fans' fantasies of season ending play-offs and SB rings. He's once again play-off bound with a different QB at the Helm of the Broncos. That's two season in a row since he got fired from the Panthers.

When will you folks realize what is the real problem is with this team and stop trying to pin it on everyone else?
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you really don't have a clue.
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I am feeling optimistic and believe Acorsi is going to do what we hired him for and sign a legit GM.

I think with 32 games to base his judgement off of, it won't take long for the new GM to realize he doesn't want to stain himself with putting his neck out for Rivera. I always wanted Rivera to succeed for us but he's blown his chance and when Hurney got fired it pretty much spelled the end for Rivera. He has not done nearly enough to prove he's worth keeping. In his 2nd year we have played 8 .500 or better teams and only managed 1 win(Atlanta). 1-7 against .500 or better teams is a terrible stat considering 3 of those losses came before we placed 1 starter on I.R.

He also got swept by Tampa's rookie head coach and the loss to the 2-13 chiefs when your fighting to save your job is embarrassing.

I don't want him back and feel pretty confident he won't be even if we beat N.O to close out the season.

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