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#91 rayzor

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 08:06 PM

does he have the skill set to pull all these jobs off at the same time?

does anyone think that control of the team means handling the cap and contracts and all?

the guy knows what type player he wants and doesn't want. he knows what kind of player fits his program. he knows that for his style of football to work he has to have the players to run it. he knows there will be players on the team he inherits who won't fit what he has in mind and he knows he can probably find free agents and prospective draft picks that fit his program better. he wants to be able to build the team his way.....just like most coaches that are actually worth a crap.

so you mean there are people who don't want a coach to build a team the way they want?

mind- numbing.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 08:16 PM

does anyone think that control of the team means handling the cap and contracts and all?

the guy knows what type player he wants and doesn't want. he knows what kind of player fits his program. he knows that for his style of football to work he has to have the players to run it. he knows there will be players on the team he inherits who won't fit what he has in mind and he knows he can probably find free agents and prospective draft picks that fit his program better. he wants to be able to build the team his way.....just like most coaches that are actually worth a crap.

so you mean there are people who don't want a coach to build a team the way they want?

mind- numbing.



Exactly, there's going to be guys behind the scenes that handle the cap, scouting and so forth. Just like right now Beane runs everything in the Front office, but delegates everything off to the proper people. Like Rob Rogers handles the Cap, the GM, HC and other coaches make group decisions on waiver claims and so forth. With scouting being handled by Gregory and Koncz respectively.


It would be a group deal with Kelly having final say and the majority vote on personal matters to build the team to fit his offense and whomever's his DC's defensive styles.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 08:20 PM

so you mean there are people who don't want a coach to build a team the way they want?

mind- numbing.


So a quick question...how many coaches have succeeded doing this? How many haven't? How many of those that have succeeded had no previous NFL experience?

How is it mind numbing that some would question the wisdom of that kind of move?

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 08:25 PM

So a quick question...how many coaches have succeeded doing this? How many haven't? How many of those that have succeeded had no previous NFL experience?

How is it mind numbing that some would question the wisdom of that kind of move?



It's not a question of no success in the NFL or past cases working or not, in the most part those that didn't work went to teams that were no where close to having the pieces in place for their system to work. Every case is going to be different and have not worked for some reason or another.

It's a case of a HC going to a team that can run their system or is close to being able to do so or being smart enough football wise to know what to change and what not to change to fit the team your going to.

I think in both of those Cases, Kelly would be going to a team that could run his system and he's smart enough to know what changes need to be made. I mean heck, there's ton of NFL coaches getting his knowledge on how to run his system, so we know it works in the NFL already.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 08:40 PM

So a quick question...how many coaches have succeeded doing this? How many haven't? How many of those that have succeeded had no previous NFL experience?

How is it mind numbing that some would question the wisdom of that kind of move?

he's a coach. he knows what he wants/needs personnel- wise for his program to work. you don't need to have NFL experience to know who will or won't fit what he wants to do.

again, i don't think his lack of NFL experience is all that big of a deal or much different than an assistant at the pro level trying to make the jump to HC. both need experienced assistants to make it work. rivera needed someone with HC experience to help him adjust to the new job. kelly would need assistants with a ton of pro experience to help him adjust to the nuances he'd have to get used to.

neither is a big deal for the right coach, tho.

and the mind numbing comment was a response to a comment that it was mind numbing to think that a coach would want control over who is or isn't on his team. which coach wouldn't?

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 08:46 PM

I think in both of those Cases, Kelly would be going to a team that could run his system and he's smart enough to know what changes need to be made. I mean heck, there's ton of NFL coaches getting his knowledge on how to run his system, so we know it works in the NFL already.


All I'm saying is it's a legitimate question...it's not a no-brainer, so for Rayzor to call it mind-numbing that some would question it is just over the top.

And I have to take strong exception to your statement that because he has consulted with NFL teams, that automatically means he will be successful in the NFL. Many college coaches exchange info with pro teams, and coaches are always talking to each other. Just in the last two years, Bellicheck has brought in Saban, Kelly, and Urban Meyer. As to Kelly's contribution to NE's offense, it has largely been in helping them getting play calls in faster when they are in the no-huddle. It's not like they are running "his system" (at least what he currently runs at Oregon) as their base offense.

None of this is to say Kelly can't be a success in the league or that my mind is closed to him. I just don't understand those that think he is a slam dunk winner in the NFL. That is an unknown until he does it.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 08:49 PM

and the mind numbing comment was a response to a comment that it was mind numbing to think that a coach would want control over who is or isn't on his team. which coach wouldn't?


Well, duh! :D

#98 rayzor

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 08:56 PM

All I'm saying is it's a legitimate question...it's not a no-brainer, so for Rayzor to call it mind-numbing that some would question it is just over the top.

not anymore over the top than thinking that a coach would want control over who was on his team is a mind-numbing idea.

#99 rayzor

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 09:04 PM

All I'm saying is it's a legitimate question...it's not a no-brainer, so for Rayzor to call it mind-numbing that some would question it is just over the top.

And I have to take strong exception to your statement that because he has consulted with NFL teams, that automatically means he will be successful in the NFL. Many college coaches exchange info with pro teams, and coaches are always talking to each other. Just in the last two years, Bellicheck has brought in Saban, Kelly, and Urban Meyer. As to Kelly's contribution to NE's offense, it has largely been in helping them getting play calls in faster when they are in the no-huddle. It's not like they are running "his system" (at least what he currently runs at Oregon) as their base offense.

None of this is to say Kelly can't be a success in the league or that my mind is closed to him. I just don't understand those that think he is a slam dunk winner in the NFL. That is an unknown until he does it.

teaching a team to use one or two words to consistently get the play to the team on the line rather than huddling up or barking out a 5-10 word play call doesn't seem like that big of a deal, but some would consider it revolutionary, esp. the means in which it it's done. the league tends to make things more complicated than is necessary and it also is very resistant to change/evolution.

guys like belichek and sean payton and other more progressive coaches (that are actually copying what happens in college) wind up at the top because of their ability to adapt and change what is accepted/expected from traditional old school "pro-style" offense.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 09:13 PM

not anymore over the top than thinking that a coach would want control over who was on his team is a mind-numbing idea.



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Posted 29 December 2012 - 09:15 PM

I think the risk is pretty much the same with Kelly as it would be in taking a coordinator from another team. It's all about the structure the coach puts around himself with his coordinators and so forth.

#102 rayzor

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 09:26 PM

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that might actually be fitting. hopefully with a better success rate.

#103 rayzor

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 09:26 PM

I think the risk is pretty much the same with Kelly as it would be in taking a coordinator from another team. It's all about the structure the coach puts around himself with his coordinators and so forth.

abso-frikkin-lutely.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 10:04 PM

I nominate rayzor as new GM

#105 rayzor

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 10:35 PM

I nominate rayzor as new GM

lol you reeeeeaaaalllllyyy don't want that. i know it sounds like a brilliant idea and all because i seem so wicked smart, but really i'm just talking out of my ass.


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