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Cam could go on and have a Brady-esque career, and the narrative wont change at all IMO.

Paid to play;

Stolen laptops;

Me-first selfish prima donna;

Arrogant jerk.

fug the haters.

I'm not sure I buy that. Newton got loads of praise from the media last season. Plenty of guys were talking him up as the next big thing.

Are there people who will hate him no matter what? Absolutely. Loads of them in Atlanta, New Orleans and Tampa especially.

But yes, I believe if he rebounds next season (and the team does too) the narrative will at least start to change.

We'll see.

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how many hit pieces are out there about brandon weeden's fake smile or andrew luck's sense of entitlement

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There's still a bit of a disconnect with the comparison to QBs from other teams though.

Clearly they don't care enough to get it right (the motivation we can debate all day but that wouldn't matter...because the result is the same, they don't).

My question, and the issue I would hold their feet to the fire on, is why report all of the rumors, local BS, and comments from fans about Cam where they don't about the other QBs on teams they don't care about? I can't answer that - none of us can. My position is this though: if you're going to call yourself a journalist / reporter and you care enough about someone to report about them you have a responsibility to get it right. If someone can't live up to that standard they should call themselves entertainers, not journalists / reporters, and lump themselves in with the Frank Caliendos of the world. Different method of delivery with similar levels of fact checking.

I guess we could go back and forth about the whys, the hows, and the whats but at the end of the day I see that the pieces of the national media who choose to report on Cam but do not choose to bother getting it right are undeniably, indefensibly, wrong.

And I fully expect that to continue.

As to whether journalists should have higher standards, absolutely they should. But crap like what Jim Rome puts out is what passes for "journalism" in the sports world these days. And that's more likely to get worse, not better.

Truthfully, that as much as anything is my big complaint.

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tbqh it's hilarious that you can claim that cam newton is basically matt flynn to other fans and at the same time bend over backwards to defend the media types that have been smearing newton for years

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Go read anything on ESPN, Foxsports, or PFT about Cam Newton, scroll down and read the comments, and tell me you can't feel the hate and vitriol on your skin like its bug spray. It's disgusting. Last year, a lot of the Cam haters died off, now this year they are back and stronger than ever. And all the hate is from unfounded bullshit. I read on the Foxsports site about Cam's 21K fine, and people are saying he pushed the ref, and kicked Kelly in the face and should be kicked out of the league. I've never seen anything like it. Roethlisberger didn't get half the hate Cam gets after he fuging raped somebody.

I typically don't give a damn if someone talks crap about a player on my team, but the Cam hate has me taking it personally because it is ALL based off and driven by a false media narrative. It actually gets me pissed off now to where I want to punch people. Yes, I have rage issues but I don't care. I hear the same poo over and over about Cam for doing things EVERYBODY does. The raiders came out and publicly said they were trying to hurt Cam, so he kicked one of them off of him as he tried. Do you hear about that? Nope, just the kick. The AFC players trying to take him out at last years pro bowl. Anything? Nope, Cam sucks and threw four picks. Panthers getting blown out by Giants and Cam does the superman and everyone won't get off his ass. Arian Foster does his bow after scoring when the Texans were down by 5 touchdowns, not a fuging peep.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. When Cam wins a Super Bowl, I hope he drops the drawers and takes a poo right on the NFL logo at midfield, smears it in real good, then uses it to write Cammy Cam Juice on the Lombardi trophy in his own feces. fug you haters.

Sorry end rage rant.

TL;DR VERSION: Yes Cam gets hated on nationwide more than anyone else in the league.

yup - inside the comments section of every national article regarding Cam the hate is visceral. It's easy to pile on when everyone else is doing it!!!

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yup - the comments section of every national article regarding Cam and the hate is visceral. It's easy to pile on when everyone else is doing it!!!

But forming your own opinion takes effort.

Most people outside of this fanbase don't care enough about us, or Newton, to make that effort.

(which is actually my whole point here)

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But forming your own opinion takes effort.

Most people outside of this fanbase don't care enough about us, or Newton, to make that effort.

(which is actually my whole point here)

Right which is why when you have some bozo like Adam Schein or Nolan Nowarki or Rick Reily write a cute little article bashing the guy, if you're not a fan of the team or have a very small scope on the NFL you're probably going to believe what they write/say or at least have it influence your opinion.

I'm in Akron OH right now and I can assure you that no one up here gives a crap about the Panthers or Cam. On Sunday, when I have to go to the only bar that has the NFL package it's going to be like pulling teeth (and I'm sure I'll get laughed at) to get them to change one of the 100 televisions showing the Browns/steeler game. That will never happen in Charlotte. There's probably a better chance of a Jets game or Steelers game on in Charlotte than the damn panthers.

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Right which is why when you have some bozo like Adam Schein or Nolan Nowarki or Rick Reily write a cute little article bashing the guy, if you're not a fan of the team or have a very small scope on the NFL you're probably going to believe what they write/say or at least have it influence your opinion.

I'm in Akron OH right now and I can assure you that no one up here gives a crap about the Panthers or Cam. On Sunday, when I have to go to the only bar that has the NFL package it's going to be like pulling teeth (and I'm sure I'll get laughed at) to get them to change one of the 100 televisions showing the Browns/steeler game.

Exactly the point.

And worth a mention on the draft analysis...

When I was younger, the PFW draft previews were written by a guy named Joel Buchsbaum. And yes, he talked to sources, but the majority of his analysis was done slavishly watching game tape. He wrote what he saw, not what someone else did, and his draft previews were the best in the business.

Buchsbaum died relatively young (40s I think) and I don't know that anyone has really filled his shoes since.

These days most draft analysts go off of hearsay from scouts or scouting services. They consider the job too big to be done on their own (and they may have a point) so the vast majority of what you read or see from Kiper, McShay, Nawrocki and others is all second hand. Some of it's good, some of it's bad, but very little of it is original.

That's another thing that's symptomatic of sports journalism today being somewhat lazy.

I know I probably sound like an old man hyping up "the good old days", but then again, when you get right down to it I guess that's what I actually am :(

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Exactly the point.

And worth a mention on the draft analysis...

When I was younger, the PFW draft previews were written by a guy named Joel Buchsbaum. And yes, he talked to sources, but the majority of his analysis was done slavishly watching game tape. He wrote what he saw, not what someone else did, and his draft previews were the best in the business.

Buchsbaum died relatively young (40s I think) and I don't know that anyone has really filled his shoes since.

These days most draft analysts go off of hearsay from scouts or scouting services. They consider the job too big to be done on their own (and they may have a point) so the vast majority of what you read or see from Kiper, McShay, Nawrocki and others is all second hand. Some of it's good, some of it's bad, but very little of it is original.

That's another thing that's symptomatic of sports journalism today being somewhat lazy.

I know I probably sound like an old man hyping up the good old days, but then again, I guess that's what I actually am :(

Yeah I always get in arguments with people who take Kiper and McShay's word as gold. If these two guys were truly gifted at scouting NFL players they would be working for a team right now. Not to mention both of those guys look like they might be able to squeeze out one pushup between the both of them.

I used to like Mike Mayock but when he called Cam "lazy" before the combine a few years ago, man that just shows you haven't done your homework.

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Yeah I always get in arguments with people who take Kiper and McShay's word as gold. If these two guys were truly gifted at scouting NFL players they would be working for a team right now. Not to mention both of those guys look like they might be able to squeeze out one pushup between the both of them.

I used to like Mike Mayock but when he called Cam "lazy" before the combine a few years ago, man that just shows you haven't done your homework.

My understanding was always that Kiper got his info from Ourlads Scouting.

It's what we get these days.

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For the record Scot, I hope you are right. But I have little faith in humanity as a whole, sports fans less, and media least.

I'm in Cali and have several friends and coworkers that hate Cam Newton, not a damn one of them having a legitimate reason save one coworker who's daughter goes to school at Alabama.

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But forming your own opinion takes effort.

Most people outside of this fanbase don't care enough about us, or Newton, to make that effort.

(which is actually my whole point here)

So your point is that they care enough about cam to make everything about him a big story, but they somehow still don't care about him at all.

Assuming this is true its supposed to make us feel... What?

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