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An indicator that Rivera might be safe

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This article on Panthers.com...

[url="http://www.panthers.com/news/article-2/Players-help-Rivera-state-his-case/bf66075d-1858-40d7-b51e-9038d6cc4d49"]Players help Rivera state his case[/url]

It's been noted before that what goes out on Panthers.com is fairly controlled (think Pravda). As an example, when the writing was on the wall for Jake Delhomme, you started seeing articles questioning Delhomme and praising Matt Moore. Prior to that, it was rare to see the team site acknowledge much negative about Delhomme's performances. Once they started actually talking about it, the signs were there.

Mind you, "safe" might only mean that he's not fired this week. I still believe the ultimate decision will be left in the hands of the new General Manager once he's hired. Although I'd expect that to be reasonably soon, no one knows exactly how long that will take.

But seeing an article like this, one highlighting how much the players love Rivera and have been willing to play hard for him, on the official team page makes me think they might be at least leaning toward the positive.

Read it for yourself and see what you think.

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Forever the Panthers will revel in mediocrity.
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Forever the Huddle will hold an IQ lower than Cowboys fans.

If true, this is a good choice.

The coaches, the players, the owner (if he hires Ross or Gamble) looks to have finally got it. No need to make a stupid decision you will regret.

These past four weeks Rivera has earned his job.

Don't give that bull that it's the same stuff that happened last year, because it's not. This year we were in all but two games, the difference is that these past four weeks; we found a way to win.
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Cowboy fans? Ouch!

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Cam hasn't spoke in his favor and that's all that counts...

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[quote name='CarolinaVeins' timestamp='1356920751' post='2068963']
Cam hasn't spoke in his favor and that's all that counts...
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Steve Smith has, and that definitely counts.

So have Thomas Davis, Greg Olsen, Charles Johnson, Greg hardy, Mike Tolbert and now Jordan Gross.

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[quote name='CarolinaPanthers8789' timestamp='1356920675' post='2068960']
Forever the Huddle will hold an IQ lower than Cowboys fans.

If true, this is a good choice.

The coaches, the players, the owner (if he hires Ross or Gamble) looks to have finally got it. No need to make a stupid decision you will regret.
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How have they finally got it? Did they get it at the end of last year as well?
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Ofcourse he is safe. The real question is who the GM is. I think any GM prospect wouldnt mind keeping Rivera for another year. He wont have the pressure of having to find a coaching staff right off the bat. Especially a HC coming off four consecutive wins and a 7-9 record.If Rivera has a winning record next season, thats one less problem the new GM has to worry about and can focusing on building the team
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[quote name='Mr. Scot' timestamp='1356920874' post='2068966']


Steve Smith has, and that definitely counts.

So have Thomas Davis, Greg Olsen, Charles Johnson, Greg hardy, Mike Tolbert and now Jordan Gross.
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I was trying to make myself feel better :(

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[quote name='PantherKyle' timestamp='1356920894' post='2068967']
How have they finally got it? Did they get it at the end of last year as well?
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Someone has been spoiled by John Fox. This wasn't going to fixed in two years, only an idiot would think so. With all the injuries the Panthers have suffered this year, it's a wonder that they even won 7 games.

Also last year the Panthers weren't even in a lot of games, this year at least the Panthers were in all but two of their games. They finally learned how to win those close games at the end of the season.
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Take lines like this, for example...

[quote]The Panthers ran the table outside of a loss to an emotionally inspired Kansas City Chiefs team, beating a pair of NFC South foes along the way to finish second in the division.[/quote]

The way that's written, it minimizes the loss to the Chiefs.

Follow that with this...

[quote]The four-game winning streak to cap the season started with a victory over an Atlanta Falcons team that had lost just one game. It ended Sunday with a road victory over a New Orleans Saints squad that had won seven of its last 11 games/[/quote]

...highlighting the good teams that they beat.

I put that under the "things that make you go 'hmmmm'" category.

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panthers.com is a fluff piece factory

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I still love how people hold the coaches more responsible than the players. If you don't coach or have never coached, don't feed more your crap.

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[quote name='Mister Love' timestamp='1356921202' post='2068983']
panthers.com is a fluff piece factory[/quote]

Why would you 'fluff' a coach you're planning to fire?

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[quote name='CarolinaPanthers8789' timestamp='1356921110' post='2068979']
Someone has been spoiled by John Fox. This wasn't going to fixed in two years, only an idiot would think so. With all the injuries the Panthers have suffered this year, it's a wonder that they even won 7 games.

Also last year the Panthers weren't even in a lot of games, this year at least the Panthers were in all but two of their games. They finally learned how to win those close games at the end of the season.
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What games were they not in last year? Tennessee and New Orleans. That's it. You know for a fact they underachieved this year. they should have won 3-4 more games, and Rivera is a large reason they did not.

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[quote name='CarolinaPanthers8789' timestamp='1356921110' post='2068979']
[b]Someone has been spoiled by John Fox. This wasn't going to fixed in two years, only an idiot would think so. With all the injuries the Panthers have suffered this year, it's a wonder that they even won 7 games.[/b]

Also last year the Panthers weren't even in a lot of games, this year at least the Panthers were in all but two of their games. They finally learned how to win those close games at the end of the season.
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Better answer is Hurney poorly constructed this team to sustain injuries (and in general).

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[quote name='CarolinaPanthers8789' timestamp='1356921215' post='2068984']
I still love how people hold the coaches more responsible than the players. If you don't coach or have never coached, don't feed more your crap.[/quote]

That reminds me...

[url="http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Giants-Dcoordinator-Perry-Fewell-puts-blame-on-players.html"]Giants DC Perry Fewell blames his players[/url]

Not a good idea.

For whatever else you think of him, Rivera is by all accounts a guy who accepts blame and deflects credit.
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If they are going to leave it up to the GM, then they better sign them quickly. Otherwise the top coaching candidates will be gone.
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[quote name='PantherKyle' timestamp='1356921307' post='2068988']
What games were they not in last year? Tennessee and New Orleans. That's it. You know for a fact they underachieved this year. they should have won 3-4 more games, and Rivera is a large reason they did not.
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Rivera isn't the reason at all. You can point to plays this year that could have changed the outcome of the game. When you can point out specific plays, you know that it's execution not the coaching staff. I don't understand how people can blatantly ignore that fact.

It would be one thing if you could point out a whole game (excluding the Giants and Broncos game) where the Panthers played piss poor. The difference now is that the team is making plays down the stretch (ex: AE's punt return today).

On top of that, there were games last year that were close but they came down to plays, this year it came down to "play". If you make one more play than the opposing team, you win.
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When you have people like Gross and Olsen saying what they said on the record... I honestly don't see how you fire the guy whatsoever!

I think he deserves another shot... I think this team is growing and trending in the right direction. A play here or there... A call here or there, and we're in the playoffs.

I was kind of indifferent but was leaning towards wanting him to stay, but after today, and reading that article... I definitely want him to stay... We can win a Super Bowl with Rivera... I hate him sometimes, and I ALWAYS hate him on the sidelines, but the players are all in. And being that they are despite this seasons problems, shows me that he must be doing something right!

As a fan, I can't go against the players' wishes... Rivera better stay... And what IF* we owe all of this to Hurney??? What if JR wanted Hurney to give Ribera the axe... But didn't, because Hurney also knew that the players were buying into what he's been selling... The results n the field just weren't showing up. This could very well be the case... And we may owe Hurney more than we could have ever imagined come next January!

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I don't think they have "anything" at all. What did he earn in the last four games? Wins over below average teams, barring Atlanta? That is what happened a year ago, and not much has changed except the effectiveness of the offense (which has regressed). I will boast Rivera's defensive intellect, but by the time the defense clicked, it was already too late.

I won't be particularly angry if Rivera stayed. I am willing to give the guy one more season, but I just have this knack that once again, I, as well as the the rest of Panther Nation, will be disappointed yet again.

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[quote name='Second_Solution' timestamp='1356921426' post='2068997']
If they are going to leave it up to the GM, then they better sign them quickly. Otherwise the top coaching candidates will be gone.
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Well, they do have a head start.

And the guys some media think the team has the most interest in (Ross and Gettleman) can interview immediately.

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ehh I don't know about that. Panthers.com has had articles over the years about players just as they were cut... admittedly that is more in training camp, but yeah.

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[quote name='mav1234' timestamp='1356921532' post='2069004']
ehh I don't know about that. Panthers.com has had articles over the years about players just as they were cut... admittedly that is more in training camp, but yeah.[/quote]

Yeah. Can't go by training camp.

Remember a couple years back I looked at the team page articles and said on here "I think Delhomme might be benched" based on what I read. He actually wound up being cut.

This reminds me of that.

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[quote name='Mr. Scot' timestamp='1356921417' post='2068996']
That reminds me...

[url="http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Giants-Dcoordinator-Perry-Fewell-puts-blame-on-players.html"]Giants DC Perry Fewell blames his players[/url]

Not a good idea.

For whatever else you think of him, Rivera is by all accounts a guy who accepts blame and deflects credit.
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Obviously everyone should know you don't do that, but behind closed doors; the players and coaches know that the game comes down to who plays better.

Even CJ said it, some guys on the team work harder than others. Some guys just didn't want it earlier in the season.

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