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#41 Third Degree

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 12:11 PM

what happens when an aging Smith gets hurt and plays 4-5 games in an upcoming season?


Steve is the ultimate playmaker and leader obviously. But we can win games with Olsen and Lafell. Cam targets those guys a lot and he targets Murphy too much, IMO.

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 12:12 PM

I was watching NFLN and intalking about Rivera and his job safety. One of the points they were making against the team keeping Rivera, were the talents of Cam and Keuchlyand how unfair it was that there isn't better coaching and team around them. The guy mentioned Cam's accomplishments and said he had 2 year numbers "Romo would be envy." On top of that, they talked about Greg Olsen (?) and Smith and them being the best in their group. All I could find myself thinking is, this team in part is a damn good team, so what is the problem?

This team had the talent to a 10-7 or better team. I feel bad that they hit their stride to late because the season is now over. Who knows how far the winning streak could have gone for them. Remember the Skins are where they are because they went on a seven game winning run.

Whatever this team needs to do to fix itself so they can at least make it to the play-offs by next season, they need to do it. The wins have to come fast and frequently.

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 12:16 PM

Here is our 2012 talent.

Cam, Smith, Luke, CJ, Hardy. That isn't a loaded roster with talent that somehow missed the playoffs. No one else stands out or is a key cog in what we did.

guys on IR or play small roles don't carry the weight some imply when the "talent" conversation come up. You need talent to be at the positons that actually matter and play every down.



Those guys have also been playing from day 1, who knows what we would have seen from DJ Campbell, Josh Thomas, and Dockery if they got the call earlier, but that also goes back to Rivera for not making changes sooner.

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 12:20 PM

I know one thing; that Colts team is really bad. They have a bad defense, bad offensive line, and Luck wins despite his turnovers. I don't really care anymore, the Panthers just piss me off so much doing the season it don't make since. We go 3-7 in till the month of December and some how we go 4-0 and all of sudden Rivera is safe. I don't understand that but whatever. Everybody already know that JR is cheap and going to bring back Rivera.


I'm not sure how you can say your owner is cheap. The Panthers are in Cap Space Hell next season. (Blame Hurney??) They are going to shed Salaries of veterans if they want to stay under the cap and even afford the draft pics.

The porblem with that is, the Panthers will have to shed some good players and replace them with rookies in order to keep under the cap. That won't help a 7-9 team. Also I'm not sure what person will want to step in as GM and have to do that. You are talking a rebuilding process that will take several years! (Or a BIG jump in the cap!)

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 12:21 PM

Steve is the ultimate playmaker and leader obviously. But we can win games with Olsen and Lafell. Cam targets those guys a lot and he targets Murphy too much, IMO.


Cam doesn't target Murphy too much....his recieving targets aren't good enough. Past 2 seasons show that. He didn't target Legatron too much either.....Legatron just sucked. Cam can't just target Smith like Jake Delhomme did all those years and sprinkle some to LaFell.

Take a WR like Smith out. Coverages change. Routes harder for LaFell. Cam is a big play QB. The fact Steve Smith isn't Steve Smith actually IS going to be an issue. Steve can't take the top off a D anymore. They are asking scrubs to pretend to do it.

Smith should be our #2.....issue he is our #1. Smith realized it needed to change years ago. Yet people will respond that Smith can be our #1 for years and years to come.

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 12:21 PM

Griffin/Ponder have been helped by a really great run game. I doubt they would have made the playoffs without Morris/Peterson.

Wilson has been helped by his team greatly overachieving and having a gritty defense.

Kaepernick was dropped into a DREAM situation for a rookie QB.

John Fox made the playoffs with The Golden Calf of Bristol....it was a given that he was going this year with Peyton.

Andy Dalton's success really surprises me because on the surface the Bengals don't look that good. I'm going to chalk it up to some great coaching.

What Andrew luck has done just defies all logic. He was put into an awful situation and has somehow made the Colts playoff contenders again. Maybe he really is the next Manning?



What really annoys me is that I think the Panthers are more talented than all of those teams. Cam really seems like the only person on the team who cares at times. I don't know if it's to blame on the coaches or if it's just pansy players.

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 12:22 PM

Turnover differential:

Carolina: +1

Washington: +17
Indianapolis: -12 (True playoff team right here)
Seattle: +13
San Francisco: +9
Cincinnati: +4
Denver: -1 (fumbles were a big problem for them)

For the rookies outside of Luck, look at these offensive rankings:

Seattle: rushing (3rd), Passing (27th)
Washington: 1st, 20th
San Francisco: 4th, 23rd


Obviously all those teams are helped out by their QB being so mobile. But do I need to point to the runningback's stats on all those teams? Gore - 12K, Morris - 16K, Lynch - 15k

Cam was the leading rusher with 40 less attempts...

Stopping the run is how you stuff these QBs. We did it marginally well against Morris and RG3 wasn't the same because play action wasn't as effective.


You're right. Watching the Skins game last night, even thou I love RG, I simply wasn't impress with his game play. Morris carried that team last night. RG has 3 free INTS handed to him and he only was able comvert one into some points.

I can't help but wonder where this team would have been had they been able to have the som of the players RG had around him.

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 12:23 PM

Due to two games where the ref calls were so bad and Chud calling a rollout from the goalline when he has a 6' 5" 250 lbs QB, Seattle is 10-6.

Take those gifts away and they're 7-9.

It's a little bit play calling, a little bit luck. No matter what, I think we'll return to the mean next year (and the playoffs).

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 12:24 PM

Those guys have also been playing from day 1, who knows what we would have seen from DJ Campbell, Josh Thomas, and Dockery if they got the call earlier, but that also goes back to Rivera for not making changes sooner.


that is Rivera making lemonade out of lemons. Every NFL roster has those caliber players.

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 12:26 PM

The Panthers are on record of saying they want to build through the draft (similar to the Steelers way). In theory, this method is effective, however, the Panthers have really missed badly on some key draft picks and made some very questionable 'trading up' on draft day that set this team back. We are assuming Hurney made all of these decisions, and I sure hope that is the case. For every miss or trade up, it set this team back. Other teams miss too, but they seem to have recovered faster/better than the Panthers.

Just to name a few:
Clausen - 2nd round
Edwards - trading a 2nd round which turned out to be the 1st pick of the 2nd round
Otah -
Stewart - trading up to get a great RB, but we already had Williams.
Everette Brown - trading a 1st rounder


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