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#1 Proudiddy

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 08:53 AM

How quickly we forgive and forget.

If we keep RR as the head coach, so be it, we have to be behind him and hope he is the right guy for the job.

Problem is, there is a plethora of evidence against that, yet we get a couple meaningless wins at the end of the year, decreasing the value of our draft pick in the process, and everyone is feeling good. Everyone starts coming around to the idea that, "hey, we did this at the end of the season this year, so we'll do it at the beginning of next season! It's all good!"

No. No. No. It's not "all good."

There are major problems.

I've seen people completely about face on several issues that have been plaguing this team as a result of our team racking up moral victories, because they sure as hell didn't mean anything in terms of success or progression as a franchise.

One issue:

Deangelo. People are on here blowing him off, minus a few who have hardlined about preferring Stew over him all along and lamenting that he is overpaid.

The rest are talking up how they're so happy we have him, and most likely feel like Marty Hurney with a pen in hand after his performance yesterday.

I never gave up on DWill and knew they were misusing him and mistreating him for that matter. Forget his cap number, look at his production when used correctly.

Now, this brings me back to my point on Coach Rivera.

Just Week 5, the whole board was looking forward to trading DWill because he was "old, washed up, useless, overpaid, unproductive, etc., etc."

Now, he's out there looking like Barry Sanders-lite the last few weeks and everyone "told you so..." Amirite?

You see, Deangelo was Denagelo the whole time. Rivera was going about his regular no rhyme, or reason coaches' pet favoritism game and benched him saying he wasn't what they were looking for in the offense. The offense sucked. He benched a guy with gamebreaking ability. Makes sense, right?

This isn't the only example of personnel mismanagement.

Armanti.

Joe Adams.

David Gettis.

Nakamura and Martin.

Josh Norman.

Josh Thomas didn't start until he was forced to.

The list goes on and on.

Again, how quickly we forget.

That's just the personnel side of things, but think of how heavy some of those things have loomed and will loom as we progress into the offseason and into next season. The Gettis and Deangelo situations bother me the most.

I look at it as though any one category of coaching could have him fired for his performance in that area alone... When you combine them, I have no idea how everyone is okay with keeping him. Did we not learn from Foxy? These moral victories at the end of the year literally mean nothing. We go into almost every offseason with that "well, we have something to build on now and we'll be better next season because of it" mentality, and each year, with a subpar coaching effort, we get shown up early and never recover. We don't win the games that matter. That has been the problem since 2009.

Again, it's looking like he's staying, so as a fan, I am forced to support him. But, in now way do I support the decision, and I wish our fanbase would stay as passionate about their convictions versus getting caught up in the hype of meaningless wins.

/rant

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 08:57 AM

Holy poo!

Tl;dr

Is it march already? Are we talking about the fans less than 24 hours after the last game? Lol, smdh

#3 Proudiddy

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 09:01 AM

It's really not that long. It's just spaced out. Sorry I exceeded the Huddle's average length for comprehension of witty one-liners.

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 09:02 AM

100% agree.

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 09:04 AM

Only problem with out fanbase is that it isn't big enough. Other than that, its similar to every other NFL team. Except the Cowboys, because their fanbase sucks. :)

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 09:04 AM

For the record I still want DWill traded or something cap het is way too big

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 09:06 AM

How was the Joe Adams situation handled improperly?

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 09:07 AM

Only problem with out fanbase is that it isn't big enough. Other than that, its similar to every other NFL team. Except the Cowboys, because their fanbase sucks. :)

and that comes with time, heck the first gen of panthers fans are just now starting to have kids of our own, literally the fan base will double over the next 20 years just because of fans procreating :-p

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 09:08 AM

Chuuuuuch!

#10 Bj-Monster23

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 09:10 AM

How quickly we forgive and forget.

If we keep RR as the head coach, so be it, we have to be behind him and hope he is the right guy for the job.

Problem is, there is a gluttony of evidence against that, yet we get a couple meaningless wins at the end of the year, decreasing the value of our draft pick in the process, and everyone is feeling good. Everyone starts coming around to the idea that, "hey, we did this at the end of the season this year, so we'll do it at the beginning of next season! It's all good!"

No. No. No. It's not "all good."

There are major problems.

I've seen people completely about face on several issues that have plaguing this team as a result of our team racking up moral victories, because they sure as hell didn't mean anything in terms of success or progression as a franchise.

One issue:

Deangelo. People are on here blowing him off, minus a few who have hardlined about preferring Stew over him all along and lamenting that he is overpaid.

The rest are talking up how they're so happy we have him, and most likely feel like Marty Hurney with a pen in hand after his performance yesterday.

I never gave up on DWill and knew they were misusing him and mistreating him for that matter. Forget his cap number, look at his production when used correctly.

Now, this brings me back to my point on Coach Rivera.

Just Week 5, the whole board was looking forward to trading DWill because he was "old, washed up, useless, overpaid, unproductive, etc., etc."

Now, he's out there looking like Barry Sanders-lite the last few weeks and everyone "told you so..." Amirite?

You see, Deangelo was Denagelo the whole time. Rivera was going about his regular no rhyme, or reason coaches' pet favoritism game and benched him saying he wasn't what they were looking for in the offense. The offense sucked. He benched a guy with gamebreaking ability. Makes sense, right?

This isn't the only example of personnel mismanagement.

Armanti.

Joe Adams.

David Gettis.

Nakamura and Martin.

Josh Norman.

Josh Thomas didn't start until he was forced to.

The list goes on and on.

Again, how quickly we forget.

That's just the personnel side of things, but think of how heavy some of those things have loomed and will loom as we progress into the offseason and into next season. The Gettis and Deangelo situations bother me the most.

I look at it as though any one category of coaching could have him fired for his performance in that area alone... When you combine them, I have no idea how everyone is okay with keeping him. Did we not learn from Foxy? These moral victories at the end of the year literally mean nothing. We go into almost every offseason with that "well, we have something to build on now and we'll be better next season because of it" mentality, and each year, with a subpar coaching effort, we get shown up early and never recover. We don't win the games that matter. That has been the problem since 2009.

Again, it's looking like he's staying, so as a fan, I am forced to support him. But, in now way do I support the decision, and I wish our fanbase would stay as passionate about their convictions versus getting caught up in the hype of meaningless wins.

/rant


I feel the same way but reality has set in and there is nothing we can do. I don't feel that Rivera should return next year. I just can't see him as the guy that leads our team to the playoffs and eventually to the Super Bowl. I really believe it will be a huge mistake if JR brings Rivera back next year.

Some people on this board seem to forgot about the rest of the season. Just a couple of weeks ago everybody up here wanted Rivera fired because we loss to the 2-14 Chiefs. Yeah we shown improvement after beating the Eagles, Falcons, Chargers, Raiders, and Saints. But those teams are not that good at all except the Falcons who didn't show up at all that game.

Everything in a nutshell is Rivera can't win when it really matters in September, October, and November. He just can't get it done and he has shown me more then enough that he is not the guy for this team.

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 09:10 AM

Only problem with out fanbase is that it isn't big enough. Other than that, its similar to every other NFL team. Except the Cowboys, because their fanbase sucks. :)

I can't agree with that DD.

I think we have a sizeable fanbase. Even here, we have numerous fans from out of state who have no personal ties to the Carolinas.

The problem is the passion and the indifference. It leads to apathy and acceptance of mediocre results.

Look at Philly. Those fans hate Reid's guts for the most part because of what, two under-performing seasons? Dude made the playoffs nine years IIRC and took them to multiple NFCCGs in a row as well as a Superbowl.

Philly fans aren't a group that other fanbases should look to model themselves after, but my point is, they remain passionate. Not saying they're right in the Reid situation, but because they are impassioned and adamant about what they want, their owner appeases.

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 09:14 AM

I feel the same way but reality has set in and there is nothing we can do. I don't feel that Rivera should return next year. I just can't see him as the guy that leads our team to the playoffs and eventually to the Super Bowl. I really believe it will be a huge mistake if JR brings Rivera back next year.

Some people on this board seem to forgot about the rest of the season. Just a couple of weeks ago everybody up here wanted Rivera fired because we loss to the 2-14 Chiefs. Yeah we shown improvement after beating the Eagles, Falcons, Chargers, Raiders, and Saints. But those teams are not that good at all except the Falcons who didn't show up at all that game.

Everything in a nutshell is Rivera can't win when it really matters in September, October, and November. He just can't get it done and he has shown me more then enough that he is not the guy for this team.

Agreed completely.

And I didn't elaborate a lot on this part, but that's the thing... Does anyone think it's pure coincidence that he has blown leads and lost games against teams early in the season but suddenly turns into the second coming of Vince Lombardi in the last quarter or so of the season? No, it's not coincidence. It's because other teams become complacent when most everyone's spot is secured. How many teams did we play in that home stretch that had something to play for? Atlanta and homefield maybe, but not really... They could afford to lose to us and it wouldn't hurt them. How many of those teams were vying for a playoff spot out of the last 3 or 4 wins?

Meaningless.

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 09:20 AM

How was the Joe Adams situation handled improperly?

Not so much about Joe Adams, but his situation is a microcosm of Rivera's problems in personnel management...

It's really about benching Joe Adams for muffs, but leaving a guy like Nakamura out there to get torched and allow our defense to be a living, breathing, sieve. Or keeping him on the bench in favor of Armanti and his breakaway speed featuring his legendary 6th gear.

There seems to be little to no reasoning as to why or when he makes the moves he does regarding personnel and Adams was among those that found themselves in Rivera's doghouse repeatedly while others continued starting/playing who shouldn't have been.

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 09:32 AM

I completely agree almost across the board on your comments, PD.

"Or keeping him on the bench in favor of Armanti and his breakaway speed featuring his legendary 6th gear."
Edwards really showed that off yesterday by outrunning the New Orleans punter.... oh, that's right... he didn't.

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 09:40 AM

There personel issues you are citing are nothing more than armchair fanboy whinings. How many big plays did nakamura give aside from the one nakamura fail? How can you say that Adams and Norman were mistreated? Gettis hasn't played in two years, how are you so sure he could recreate his average first season? You say this list goes on, but please do as currently I can't see any cut and dry certainties that he mismanaged.

Joe Adams was given a second chance and fumbled it away.

If you think that he mismanaged the players so much, why did they play so hard for him throughout the season?

In my opinion, riveras fault simply lies in closing out close games and not trying to be too smart with the offence.


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