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#37 DaCityKats

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 10:28 AM

but why keep a CB who is slow, and refused to get physical in your starting position for so long? if you told him to tighten up his cushion a long time ago, but allowed it to go on for 10 plus weeks before you bench him, who fault is it when you lose games because of the liabiltiy on the field?

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 10:52 AM

Being ranked 6th in the league for 3rd down percentage is a pretty good way to measure defensive success.


Thats cause the other team very rarely got to 3rd down, it comes down to a lot of first and second down conversions

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 10:58 AM

i hear ya. Let me add that I am not in favor of tyring out a new position in the pros. Usually causes problems.
I can say that I was impressed with Thomas. He as physical at the line and he was better in coverage. We may have something there.
And I don't think either of us would seriously consider moving Davis to S S unless it was to find a way to get Beason on the field.


I too was impressed with what I saw of Thomas, but I seriously think with another off-season of healing, TD could play Safety. He would wreak havoc and instill fear in all of our opponents.

It's not going to happen, but that doesn't change my opinion.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 11:13 AM

We haven't missed Gamble at all since he's been out. He counts approximately $10-$11 million against the cap next year. We are a team in cap trouble.

I am almost certain we've seen the last of Chris Gamble as a Panther.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 11:45 AM

Ya when you suck you should get benched, good on rivera for having the balls to play the better players

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 11:45 AM

Norman played OK for a 5th round pick, but he was certainly outclassed later on in the season. He needs to work on his tackling, route running and physical play, but he's a great depth guy to have - not a starter at this time. If the Panthers restructure Gamble, and perhaps add a free agent, you could have a pretty solid CB group. Safety is the bigger concern IMO - Godfrey played pretty well, and Campbell and Nakamura/Martin are good for a 4th/5th safety.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 11:53 AM

I dont get Rivera. He states that hes going to play the young players so they can gain experience etc and so that the coaches can get a look at them but then benches them for making a mistake.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 01:01 PM

I dont get Rivera. He states that hes going to play the young players so they can gain experience etc and so that the coaches can get a look at them but then benches them for making a mistake.


We did play Norman. He got a chance for a majority of the season despite his struggles. Norman was outplayed by both Thomas and Dockery. Rivera did the right thing by rewarding performance with playing time. Hopefully Norman is pissed and comes into TC hell bent on winning his spot back. Good for the team either way.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 02:27 PM

Against Chicago, for instance,fans got so mad during that last drive when the play calling was soft.
Maybe that exposed Norman because the calls were made because he lacked the physicality and the recovery speed to be more disruptive. In other words, maybe Norman's physical limitations affect play calling. I never saw him successful jam a WR or take the slant away. He is a rookie, so that is good news. He will be 25, however, so the window is closing

If a kicker is struggling, you punt 50 yards out instead of going for the FG. If your QB is not good, you don't put him in situations where he has to carry the team.

The league seemed to know Nornan was weak because he was thrown at a LOT.

Just my theory--guessing. I am not one of the posters who claims to have supreme knowledge of all things related to football.


But my issue is when we were playing "soft" coverages teams weren't picking on Josh Thomas. Norman played soft coverages even softer than intended IMO. Rivera would consistently address the manner in which Norman played the zone coverage.

He is a 5th round CB from a small school. too early to give up on that bc he didn't play like a first round rookie thrown into the fire

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 02:31 PM

I dont get Rivera. He states that hes going to play the young players so they can gain experience etc and so that the coaches can get a look at them but then benches them for making a mistake.

He benched young players that don't show enough good to make up for the mistakes/learning.

Cam, Luke, Fua, McClain, Alexander, Norman.....all where given tons of playing time and starts.

Norman just week in and week out allowed the same stuff to occur.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 02:45 PM

But my issue is when we were playing "soft" coverages teams weren't picking on Josh Thomas. Norman played soft coverages even softer than intended IMO. Rivera would consistently address the manner in which Norman played the zone coverage.

He is a 5th round CB from a small school. too early to give up on that bc he didn't play like a first round rookie thrown into the fire


You are exactly right about Thomas. He hammered NO at the LOS--I was amazed. Moore actually was knocked off his feet a few times. Thomas is the real deal. Once I saw him miss a jam, and the WR did a swim move over him. Burned, I thought. Thomas recovered very quickly and was in the WR's hip pocket in four strides. I could not believe it. The announcers were busy talking about alligators in swamps or something and missed it.

My criticism is that CB has been ignored by Hurney (no worse that WR or DT have been ignored--before Cam, we could add QB to that list) and RR had to play a fifth rounder. A big, veteran WR and a veteran QB with a rocket arm throwing slants at a rookie, 5th round CB from Coastal Carolina. I am not sure Norman will ever have the physical tools or experience to win that battle.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 02:51 PM

It's pretty simple--Norman got outplayed by Thomas and Dockery. Norman has a higher ceiling, but needs to improve.