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#31 Marguide

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 10:29 AM

We all knew that Rivera was hands on with the defense and that dumb base o-zone read poo at the beginning of the year was all on chud. If you fire anybody you fire him and bring in Norv.


Why is it that many on here want to give Ron a free pass for the offensive problems? Is he not responsible for the whole team?

We didn't hire him to be our DC, we hired him to be HC.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 10:30 AM

My question is, I always hear people say "it will stunt Cam's growth if we bring in a new staff" how do we know that Cam wouldnt put up Peyton Manning numbers if we brought in a new staff?. Stop looking at the glass half empty

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 10:40 AM

My question is, I always hear people say "it will stunt Cam's growth if we bring in a new staff" how do we know that Cam wouldnt put up Peyton Manning numbers if we brought in a new staff?. Stop looking at the glass half empty


How do you know he would? We don't, that's part of the predicament that JR must rule on.

However, changing regimes is known to be quite difficult to pull off...especially in our situation where the players enjoy playing for the current one. And for the many teams that have changed coaches/FOs and were successful, there have been far more that have failed and caused teams to remain in the doldrums Teams like the Chiefs, Browns, Jags, Bills, etc change coaches all the time...destroying every shot at continuity for the sake of a new vision.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 10:44 AM

I have NFL mobile on my phone and it just said that Rivera expected to be fired today.

I'm in the minority that wants him to stay.



I think he should stay too.

I saw the team turn the corner in the second Atlanta game this year.

If we dont win at least one playoff game next year, fire him.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 10:44 AM

How do you know he would? We don't, that's part of the predicament that JR must rule on.

However, changing regimes is known to be quite difficult to pull off...especially in our situation where the players enjoy playing for the current one. And for the many teams that have changed coaches/FOs and were successful, there have been far more that have failed and caused teams to remain in the doldrums Teams like the Chiefs, Browns, Jags, Bills, etc change coaches all the time...destroying every shot at continuity for the sake of a new vision.


The Bills had Gailey for three years and that didn't workout well for them. The Bucs went 10-6 with Morris and then the next year things got bad and they fired him. Also with Greg Schiano in his first season he has the same record as the Panthers and he swept us twice.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 10:47 AM

Why is it that many on here want to give Ron a free pass for the offensive problems? Is he not responsible for the whole team?

We didn't hire him to be our DC, we hired him to be HC.



Other than maybe needed one more decent WR and patching up the O-line a little, I like our offense, and I think it has been working more often than not.

Most of the games we lose are because the defense couldnt keep the opposition from scoring late in the game.

I think that the defense is really starting to turn the corner.


I dont know, maybe I am blind...

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 10:53 AM

I'd rather keep Rivera than fight for scraps with the 10 other teams who fired their coach. I really don't think there's any guys who would be an instant upgrade over Rivera.


This is sadly where I am right now. I do not necessarily think some other teams cooridinator or a college HC is an upgrade over Rivera. If the Panthers go that route they are basically starting over again with an unkown who will have to learn how to be a HC. I tend to think Rivera who has two years under his belt, has shown improvement, and all the other factors we all know is a better option than that.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 10:57 AM

Other than maybe needed one more decent WR and patching up the O-line a little, I like our offense, and I think it has been working more often than not.

Most of the games we lose are because the defense couldnt keep the opposition from scoring late in the game.

I think that the defense is really starting to turn the corner.


I dont know, maybe I am blind...


Here's what I'm talking about, and the below pertains to the first 7 games or so this year:

1) No commitment or patience for the run game.
2) We ran minimum protection schemes, with high use of the spread along with 1 TE.
3) We were in shotgun nearly 85% of the time. Under center plays were a rarity
4) We continued to rely on the read option when it was clear it wasn't working
5) Everyone was healthy; injuries cannot be used as an excuse

Then Hurney gets fired, Ron and Chud begin to actually self-evaluate out of fear, and we begin to make the changes that should have occured week 4 at the absolute latest. People are forgetting the early part of the season.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 10:57 AM

The Bills had Gailey for three years and that didn't workout well for them. The Bucs went 10-6 with Morris and then the next year things got bad and they fired him. Also with Greg Schiano in his first season he has the same record as the Panthers and he swept us twice.


The Bills haven't been relevant since the 90s. Changing coaches hasn't worked well for them and quite honestly, their choice in coaches has been questionable at best which would point the finger at the FO. Gailey coached at an option offense haven for half a decade and flopped as an OC for the Chiefs before coming to the Bills. Who thought that would have worked?

The Bucs don't seem to be playing hard for their coaches anymore, which is the exact opposite with this team. 10-6 was dandy for Morris but was an absolute disaster the next year after the same strong start. Same thing with Schiano this year. Start off strong...flop at the end. Says more about the team than it does the coach.

There are exceptions to the rule, yes, but if we wanted to change regimes, it has to work from the get go and sustain. I don't want to see this team go through coaches like underwear.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 11:00 AM

"The coaches made the calls to win said games. The players are responsible to execute."
Okay. Gotcha. Don't totally disagree.

"We all knew that Rivera was hands on with the defense and that dumb base o-zone read poo at the beginning of the year was all on chud. If you fire anybody you fire him and bring in Norv."
But wait, didn't you just say it was up to the players to execute?

Now I'm confused. First you say the coaches make the game plan and the players are to execute that game plan. But that apparently doesn't apply to the offense because you're blaming a poor offensive execution on Chud and you want him fired.

Sorry, can't have it both ways. The head coach is the captain of the ship and he is ultimately responsible for the performance of the team in all 3 phases- offense, defense and special teams.


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