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Posted 02 January 2013 - 09:56 PM

And again, history shows that when a new GM keeps a coach who hasn't been successful yet, the team doesn't go anywhere and the coach ends up getting fired anyway.


Casserly hired Kubiak in January of 2006 and was replaced by Rick Smith in June. Smith kept Kubiak through 3 non winning seasons then after a 9-7 year they regressed to 6-10 in 2010. Smith stayed the course and they had consecutive winning seasons in 2011 and 2012,

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 09:59 PM

I stand corrected! :)

Maybe we can be like the Texans then. I'll go reserve my 2016 playoff tickets now!

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:03 PM

I'm not that tied to Rivera. honestly. If he were fired I wouldn't scream.

But with that said, I'm not convinced that firing him is the right move. And I'm definitely not convinced that just replacing the coach is enough to turn the team into a winner.

My top choice: Give Rivera a season with the new GM in place and see what happens.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:07 PM

Kubiak is a perfect example, I should have thought of him. Took him four seasons to post his first winning record and six to make the playoffs. I'm sure that Rivera can do better, right? :)

Carroll isn't the best example, because he's got a winning history. One season in New York where he lost, then three straight in New England where he won right out of the gate. So you kind of already have proof he's capable of winning.

But there's Kubiak. Seven years in and he finally got back to back winning seasons. I hope that retaining Rivera doesn't mean that we experience the same, but you have shown that it IS possible. :)


Carroll and Shanahan are good examples of coaches that struggled but are now in the playoffs. If you say they aren't good examples because they have a winning history lets remember than that isn't any guarantee they will be successful in their next gig. Look at Mariucci who was wildly successful in San Francisco and then went to Detroit and they stank. Or even our own Seifert. Maybe it was a San Fran thing but past success doesn't guarantee anything.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:12 PM

I stand corrected! :)

Maybe we can be like the Texans then. I'll go reserve my 2016 playoff tickets now!


No need for the heavy sarcasm. You asserted it doesn't happen I showed you where it did.

The reason Houston struggled so mightily was lack of a healthy franchise quarterback and playing in a tough division. Plus of course being an expansion team. In many ways it mirrors some of the reasons we have struggled as well in the past 4 years.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 11:00 PM

The Indianapolis Colts and Washington Redskins would like a word...

The two best starting seasons in NFL HISTORY for a quarterback and both end in losing seasons while Andrew Luck and RG3 are in the playoffs in their first seasons.

As a Panthers fan, that is infuriating.


Neither of those teams are winning a super bowl anytime soon. Washington will NEVER win a championship with their current roster. Cam will win a super bowl before luck and the great rgiii will never win if he stays a redskin

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 11:30 PM

I'm not gonna make a Mr. Scot's length post. I'm sorry if you expected that.

I just wanna know why this board seems to blame Rivera only, even though we have a serious lack in talent and experience. Why is it so impossible for you guys to put the blame on the players and assistant coaches as well?


It's pretty simple,
If the players dont win on the field in the NFL it's a result of several factors.
Either they dont have the skill necessary or aren't coached well enough.
I'd say it's a combination of both, we have had a total of 3 Playoff appearences in the last 16 years.
So the blame lies with:
The GM, selecting the talent on draft day.
The head Coach, in charge overall and responsible for assistant coach hires.
And the Players, who if they lack the necessary Coaching or skill or worse yet intestinal fortitude to succeed on the field are a direct result of the program that put them on the field.

Also, have you been reading the Huddle and seen the amount of flack Chud, McDermott and whatever flavor of the month Special teams coach gets hurled at them?

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 11:55 PM

Carroll and Shanahan are good examples of coaches that struggled but are now in the playoffs. If you say they aren't good examples because they have a winning history lets remember than that isn't any guarantee they will be successful in their next gig. Look at Mariucci who was wildly successful in San Francisco and then went to Detroit and they stank. Or even our own Seifert. Maybe it was a San Fran thing but past success doesn't guarantee anything.


I think all the coaches you have listed are good examples of why, no matter how talented they are, without a strong organization to support them, head coaches tend to fail.

To me, it is looking more and more like the wrong guy was let go in 2010, Fox should have been retained and Hurney should have been dismissed.

Until the Panthers organization commits to a total solution, top to bottom, and give up on this "Mom and Pop" approach they have been using since the second year of their existence, they are likely to continue to be a losing franchise.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 12:03 AM

No need for the heavy sarcasm. You asserted it doesn't happen I showed you where it did.

The reason Houston struggled so mightily was lack of a healthy franchise quarterback and playing in a tough division. Plus of course being an expansion team. In many ways it mirrors some of the reasons we have struggled as well in the past 4 years.


This is a risky comparison since Houston has been fading fast and may be one and done.

Those are a lot of years and talented players to commit to one coach, who still may turn out to be a false profit, incapable of getting the Texans to the promised land.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 12:37 AM

This is a risky comparison since Houston has been fading fast and may be one and done.

Those are a lot of years and talented players to commit to one coach, who still may turn out to be a false profit, incapable of getting the Texans to the promised land.


Kubiak is very fortunate that Wade was brought in.


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