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#111 Bj-Monster23

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 07:09 PM

Since you're at work and can't do any research, here is a list of all coaches who were active at the end of the season and their predecessors. These are all the ones who managed to string together back-to-back winning seasons. I list their first non-losing season, and then the first winning season of what would become back-to-back winning seasons (which is why you don't see John Fox).

Ken Wisenhunt, first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 2
Mike Smith, first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 1
John Harbaugh, first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 1
Lovie Smith, first non-losing season: 2, first winning season: 2
Marv Lewis, first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 9
Mike McCarthey, first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 4
Dennis Green (Minn), first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 1
Brian Billick, first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 2
Wade Phillips (Buffalo), first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 1
Wade Phillips (Dallas), first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 1
Mike Sherman, first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 1
Gary Kubiak, first non-losing season: 2, first winning season: 6
Jim Caldwell, first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 1
Jack Del Rio, first non-losing season: 2, first winning season: 2
Brad Childress, first non-losing season: 2, first winning season: 3
Pete Carroll (NE), first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 1
Bill Belichick, first non-losing season: 2, first winning season: 2
Sean Payton, first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 4
Tom Coughlin (Jax), first non-losing season: 2, first winning season: 2
Tom Coughlin (NYG), first non-losing season: 2, first winning season: 4
Rex Ryan, first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 1
Andy Reid, first non-losing season: 2, first winning season: 2
Mike Tomlin, first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 1
Norv Turner (Was), first non-losing season: 3, first winning season: 3
Norv Turner (SD), first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 3
Jim Harbaugh, first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 1
Jeff Fisher (TN), first non-losing season: 3, first winning season: 3
Mike Shanahan (Den), first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 2
Ray Rhodes (Phil), first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 1
Bill Cowher, first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 1
Marty Schottenheimer (KC), first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 1
Marty Schottenheimer (SD), first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 3

Of the remainder who had winning years, but never had back to back ones, here's when they had their first winning year:
Chan Gailey (Dal), 1
John Fox (Car), 2
John Fox (Den), 2
Jim Schwartz, 3
Dick Jauron (Chi), 3
Eric Mangini (NYJ), 1
Dom Capers (Car), 2
Mike Mularkey (Buf), 1
Romeo Crennel (Cle), 3
Todd Haley, 2
Tony Sparano, 1
Leslie Frazier, 3
Pete Carrol (Sea), 3
Bill Belichick (Cle), 4
Mike Munchak, 1
Mike Shanahan (Was), 3
Jim Haslett (NO), 1
Jim Fassel, 1
Jim Mora (Atl), 1
Raheem Morris, 2

And here are the ones who have never had a winning season
Pat Shurmer
Jason Garrett
Bobby Petrino
Josh McDaniels
Rod Marinelli
Joe Philbin (rookie)
Dennis Allen (rookie)
Greg Schiano (rookie)
Hue Jackson
Mike Singletary
Steve Spagnoulo
Jim Zorn
Ron Rivera


Damn, it must suck for Rivera to be on that list.

#112 Ivan The Awesome

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 07:34 PM

The Indianapolis Colts and Washington Redskins would like a word...

The two best starting seasons in NFL HISTORY for a quarterback and both end in losing seasons while Andrew Luck and RG3 are in the playoffs in their first seasons.

As a Panthers fan, that is infuriating.


Skins have had Shanahan for 3 years now. The first two weren't great...So that's a quick turn around? No it's not. Took a little bit for them to do it.


Colts are playing for their lukemia fighting coach, those types of emotions will help, and they have Luck. Yes, those circumstances will help a quick turnaround. Believe it or not.


In the last 10 years, name the teams that fired and quickly turned things around. Not just this year and last year.


It's not a common thing. People shouldn't expect this to happen because we try it.

And let's throw out the lockout year I suppose to. This year was horrible though.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:23 PM

You don't think the fact our OL looked different and quit using 12 personel as our main package played a bigger role than teams "figuring out" the read option.

The Golden Calf of Bristol, RG, Wilson, Kapernick and Cam all run the zone read successfully.


If it is run a couple times a game it is fine. Anyone run it as their primary offense? As for 12 personnel we went to 22 personnel and sometimes 21 personnel. Instead of a second tight end lined up in the backfield we went with a fullback. Frankly the same blocking scheme. If you looked at our offense in the read option you could see that the DEs crashed down and read Newton waiting to crunch him or the running back while Newton was supposedly reading them.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:56 AM

If you are looking closely at the Panthers season Rivera did well, we are 7 -9 but look closely, 6 games are 1 TD short defeats.

#115 rayzor

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 09:24 AM

If it is run a couple times a game it is fine. Anyone run it as their primary offense? As for 12 personnel we went to 22 personnel and sometimes 21 personnel. Instead of a second tight end lined up in the backfield we went with a fullback. Frankly the same blocking scheme. If you looked at our offense in the read option you could see that the DEs crashed down and read Newton waiting to crunch him or the running back while Newton was supposedly reading them.

the reason it didn't work was because blocking sucked and the OL wasn't trained on how to block for an option and the only time it was used was on running plays. it was obvious. had we been able to block better and done more than run the ball out of that formation it would have worked better.

the reason it didn't work was the same reason our running game ceased being effective when davidson was the OC...the run game and offense as a whole was predictable, unbalanced, and didn't have all the personnel needed to make work what davidson intended.

read option is just another running play and the things that limit it are the same things that limit any running plays or run first offense.


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