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#61 Matthias

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 10:36 PM

We don't have a cast for a number 1 to emerge from....

Smith is getting old....and each consecutive 16 game season he puts in means the odds get higher he spends time hurt in the near future. Each year Smith is noticeably regressing in different aspects of his game. Father Time is coming for Steve....when he catches him we likely will be left empty handed.

We need to draft a potential number 1 in the 2nd....not a #2.


There's a lot of decent receivers in this draft, but I think by our pick, many of the potential number 1 receivers will be gone. We are picking 14th overall in the second round, which means 13 teams who have already gotten their main selections, will have the liberty to take the best players who fell out of the 1st round. Many of them will be receivers. We may do better to draft a different position with our second, and address WR in the later rounds. (Possible number 2 or emerging number 1)

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 10:41 PM

2012

AJ Green - 11 rec TDs
Carolina WRs - 9 rec TDs

AJ Green - 1,350 rec yards
Carolina WRs - 2,315 rec yards (351 more yards than Megatron)


I feel ya, but I still can't bring myself to give the young man that much credit just yet. Saying he is better than our whole core together, with Smitty included? I can't bring myself to do it just yet.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 10:43 PM

All the Colts have is Wayne. (I think Steve Smith is better than him) The other guys are still developing. Olsen is better than Fleener, and Avery is just a speedy receiver. (Is that Donnie Avery by the way? I know I can look it up, but I'm too lazy to do it right now) B) As far as the 49ers, Crabtree is definitely becoming a good WR, but Smitty is better than him by a long shot. Moss is old, barely plays. Mannigham is a nice third option, but a third option none the less. Their best option is still Davis, and he's a TE. I'll take our corps over those guys.

AJ Green is definitely exceptional, but seeing as he's still young, I refuse to say he is better than our whole corps. I don't want to disrespect Smitty like that. ^_^


The thing is we're really lacking a no.1 receiver. All respect to 89, but at some time you things dont get younger for you. Smitty is close to hanging it up no matter how well he can still play. We're a offense built to pass first then run. We need receiver(s) who can constantly beat their guys.

SF and Seattle are two teams who have receivers by committee. They can do that bc theyre a run heavy first offense. We're not built that way.

Remember the old days when 89 was in his prime? In 05' our no.2/3 (Colbert/Carter) were far worst than right now with Lafell and Olsen. Smith in his primed single handily and constantly beat secondary week in and week out. Thats what you want, "a true young no.1 wr" with Cam and this "pass heavy offense". You dont want a receivers by committee type here.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 10:44 PM

if the panthers dont go with a WR in the 1st, its a good chance that at least 1 guy out of 4-5 could be there in the 2nd.Hopkins, Hunter,Williams, Rogers, Patterson, Woods.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:13 PM

I feel ya, but I still can't bring myself to give the young man that much credit just yet. Saying he is better than our whole core together, with Smitty included? I can't bring myself to do it just yet.

I would trade our entire WR corp for Green.

You wouldn't? Bc I think if the answer is yes, that makes him better.

We can than bring in practice squad players to replace the likes of Armanti, Murphy....and can draft LaFell's replacement.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:14 PM

The thing is we're really lacking a no.1 receiver. All respect to 89, but at some time you things dont get younger for you. Smitty is close to hanging it up no matter how well he can still play. We're a offense built to pass first then run. We need receiver(s) who can constantly beat their guys.

SF and Seattle are two teams who have receivers by committee. They can do that bc theyre a run heavy first offense. We're not built that way.

Remember the old days when 89 was in his prime? In 05' our no.2/3 (Colbert/Carter) were far worst than right now with Lafell and Olsen. Smith in his primed single handily and constantly beat secondary week in and week out. Thats what you want, "a true young no.1 wr" with Cam and this "pass heavy offense". You dont want a receivers by committee type here.


I agree with that. Yet hopefully we will change our offense with a new coaching staff. One that is more balanced. Even though we are a pass first team, this current offense for most of the year was nothing but passing. Our two strong running backs only touched the ball 8 times combined on average the first 11-12 games. And when they did touch the ball, it was out of the read option, which doesn't work when used on a constant basis.

So hopefully, we get an offensively balanced staff, or at least a new OC who is balanced. With a balanced offense, we can take pressure off of Smitty and this core, and use our talented backfield. Even if D-Will is not here next year, our backfield is still top five in talent.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:21 PM

I agree with that. Yet hopefully we will change our offense with a new coaching staff. One that is more balanced. Even though we are a pass first team, this current offense for most of the year was nothing but passing. Our two strong running backs only touched the ball 8 times combined on average the first 11-12 games. And when they did touch the ball, it was out of the read option, which doesn't work when used on a constant basis.

So hopefully, we get an offensively balanced staff, or at least a new OC who is balanced. With a balanced offense, we can take pressure off of Smitty and this core, and use our talented backfield. Even if D-Will is not here next year, our backfield is still top five in talent.


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If we can play physical football from the LINE and ground and pound it with Stewart and Tolbert (assuming Dwill isnt brought back), our receiving group can be a decent committee. But if we're going pass heavy again, our only reliable receivers are Smitty and Olsen. And I'm so fatigue watching Lafell and Murphy chasing balls or dropping them. Smith makes catching balls look so easy and those are the hard ones, while Lafell and Murphy making it seems harder than it is.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:21 PM

I would trade our entire WR corp for Green.

You wouldn't? Bc I think if the answer is yes, that makes him better.

We can than bring in practice squad players to replace the likes of Armanti, Murphy....and can draft LaFell's replacement.


Well in terms of comparison, I think our core is closely equal to the Bengals core. In other words, I don't think it's vastly better than ours, and I have a hard time saying Green by himself would make the Bengals core better than ours. Yeah, I would trade our core for Green, but right now I wouldn't say it is that much better than ours.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:25 PM

Well in terms of comparison, I think our core is closely equal to the Bengals core. In other words, I don't think it's vastly better than ours, and I have a hard time saying Green by himself would make the Bengals core better than ours. Yeah, I would trade our core for Green, but right now I wouldn't say it is that much better than ours.



Im telling you we'd be in the Playoffs with a deep threat like AJ Green.
Smith is still a very good players but hes not in his prime (great) anymore like Green. The difference between them? Green's 11 tds to Smith's 4. Thats the difference of winning and losing.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:26 PM

YuP!
If we can play physical football from the LINE and ground and pound it with Stewart and Tolbert (assuming Dwill isnt brought back), our receiving group can be a decent committee. But if we're going pass heavy again, our only reliable receivers are Smitty and Olsen. And I'm so fatigue watching Lafell and Murphy chasing balls or dropping them. Smith makes catching balls look so easy and those are the hard ones, while Lafell and Murphy making it seems harder than it is.


What I really hated was the fact that Gettis was injured for pretty much the whole season. I feel if he were healthy, he would have been a great number two, and LaFell would have been at home as the number 3. As of now, I don't know what to think about Gettis, Rivera refused to play the man. If he's still on the roster next year, perhaps he can still develop into to good number two.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:28 PM

Well in terms of comparison, I think our core is closely equal to the Bengals core. In other words, I don't think it's vastly better than ours, and I have a hard time saying Green by himself would make the Bengals core better than ours. Yeah, I would trade our core for Green, but right now I wouldn't say it is that much better than ours.

Next year, I would say Green should be better than Smitty by a fair margin. Rest is a wash IMO.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:30 PM

What I really hated was the fact that Gettis was injured for pretty much the whole season. I feel if he were healthy, he would have been a great number two, and LaFell would have been at home as the number 3. As of now, I don't know what to think about Gettis, Rivera refused to play the man. If he's still on the roster next year, perhaps he can still develop into to good number two.


Id like to really believe that Gettis couldve help this season, but Im not gonna put a lot of hope into it. He had a very good rookie season, but I dont think he's the next Colston or something.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:30 PM

Next year, I would say Green should be better than Smitty by a fair margin. Rest is a wash IMO.


I agree moving forward Green is on a multiple probowl type career. (Did he make it this year? I'm sure he did)

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:35 PM

I agree moving forward Green is on a multiple probowl type career. (Did he make it this year? I'm sure he did)


That Bengals offense closely resemble our 05' offense. An elite WR with average no.2/3, but still the offense is based solely on the no.1 wr bc he can constantly make plays.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:37 PM

Da'rick Rogers is really talented but has off field issues. If JR isn't afraid to take a chance and is willing to gamble on Rogers, it'd be something fun to watch. I seen comparison to Julio as well but as I look closer, I think he can be a Dez type of player for us.


Hopefully the new GM will be given carte blanche and the off field aversion issue will die off like the Burgermeister Meisterburger's.
This organization has GOT to change it's old fashion ways.


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