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Observer article regarding Rivera/GM

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Oh, there are people that have a clue. It's just that none of them are talking.

It's almost Iike they value their jobs

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Common sense would probably tell you that Rivera ends up staying because we looked like we was trending upward. If JR bring Rivera back that would be a mistake and might ultimately hurt his chances at getting a pretty good GM. History tells us that most General managers really want their own guy to come in and be the man. Rivera staying could lead to Brandon Beane being the next Panthers GM.

Mediocrity here we come!

sad that mediocrity is a step up from where we've been the past few years.

oh the joy of being a fan of a team that aspires to being average.

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In my opinion, Fowler got it right today in his blog. Rivera is staying.

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Would you really turn down a GM job if you were told that they're giving the current coach 1 more year to prove himself or he's gone? Because that is probably what JR is saying. Rivera has 1 year to have a winning and make the playoffs or he's done. Don't see that holding a GM prospect back

That's the point, it's now guaranteed to make the playoffs. You are hurting the coach before the season even start by telling him the only way he keeps his job is by making the playoffs. If that is the case, you might as well save him the trouble and let him go now.

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That's the point, it's now guaranteed to make the playoffs. You are hurting the coach before the season even start by telling him the only way he keeps his job is by making the playoffs. If that is the case, you might as well save him the trouble and let him go now.

I'm pretty sure Rivera knows at this point that if he gets a third season, the only way he's getting a fourth is if he makes the playoffs. How many coaches are retained after three straight non-playoff years? Not many.

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I remember I brought up a thread during the season in which I said we needed to hire our guy ASAP and I got a bunch of "we have plenty of time, blah blah blah..."

Well, I don't think many have considered this... Now that we've retained Rivera to this point, it's a sign that we're keeping him. Now, for those of you thinking we're going to go out and hire a big name GM, guess what? What new "big name" GM is wanting to come into an organization that has held onto their coach from the previous year so that they can't fully assert control over the football operations?

And now we're getting to the point that saying, "If he's not your guy, bring your guy in..." to any prospective GM candidate is a fallacy. We've strung it out long enough that likely even if we found a GM to come in with Rivera already in place and they fired him, who are they going to replace him with?

Just looking like a big build up to nothing.

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Oh, there are people that have a clue. It's just that none of them are talking.

Morrison and Richardson

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I remember I brought up a thread during the season in which I said we needed to hire our guy ASAP and I got a bunch of "we have plenty of time, blah blah blah..."

Well, I don't think many have considered this... Now that we've retained Rivera to this point, it's a sign that we're keeping him. Now, for those of you thinking we're going to go out and hire a big name GM, guess what? What new "big name" GM is wanting to come into an organization that has held onto their coach from the previous year so that they can't fully assert control over the football operations?

And now we're getting to the point that saying, "If he's not your guy, bring your guy in..." to any prospective GM candidate is a fallacy. We've strung it out long enough that likely even if we found a GM to come in with Rivera already in place and they fired him, who are they going to replace him with?

Just looking like a big build up to nothing.

I completely agree with this. No GM will want to come in to somebody else guy. They want their own guy most of the time. You are pretty much limiting your choice of candidates if you tell them that they have to stick with Rivera.

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I remember I brought up a thread during the season in which I said we needed to hire our guy ASAP and I got a bunch of "we have plenty of time, blah blah blah..."

Well, I don't think many have considered this... Now that we've retained Rivera to this point, it's a sign that we're keeping him. Now, for those of you thinking we're going to go out and hire a big name GM, guess what? What new "big name" GM is wanting to come into an organization that has held onto their coach from the previous year so that they can't fully assert control over the football operations?

And now we're getting to the point that saying, "If he's not your guy, bring your guy in..." to any prospective GM candidate is a fallacy. We've strung it out long enough that likely even if we found a GM to come in with Rivera already in place and they fired him, who are they going to replace him with?

Just looking like a big build up to nothing.

I think your GM logic is a fallacy. You said we needed to "hire our guy ASAP". Well, unless "our guy" was unemployed at the time, there's no way we could hire him because he's not allowed to interview. We seem to have zeroed in on our top two targets, Ross and Gettleman, as we requested permission to interview them the first day possible. Now, you've gotta let the process play out.

I'm sure teams like the Chiefs, Eagles, and Jaguars knew they would be firing their coaches/GMs long before Monday - why haven't they "hired their guys" yet?

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I completely agree with this. No GM will want to come in to somebody else guy. They want their own guy most of the time. You are pretty much limiting your choice of candidates if you tell them that they have to stick with Rivera.

Yup, but I guess the brightside to that is, it puts on even footing with the Jets for Ross. Then again, who would you rather have as the incumbent coach? Ryan or Rivera?

Considering Rivera's lack of success and Ryan's lack of tact, I wouldn't be surprised if Ross doesn't take either job. Again, it wouldn't be a problem if he was bringing in his own guy.

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I think your GM logic is a fallacy. You said we needed to "hire our guy ASAP". Well, unless "our guy" was unemployed at the time, there's no way we could hire him because he's not allowed to interview. We seem to have zeroed in on our top two targets, Ross and Gettleman, as we requested permission to interview them the first day possible. Now, you've gotta let the process play out.

I'm sure teams like the Chiefs, Eagles, and Jaguars knew they would be firing their coaches/GMs long before Monday - why haven't they "hired their guys" yet?

ASAP is what it means, "AS SOON AS POSSIBLE." So, ideally, we wouldn't need to hire a GM so quickly if the HC position was defined one way or another. But because the HC position hasn't been addressed, it adds to the urgency of finding a GM to assess it.

So, what I'm saying is, the whole deal has been poorly managed.

Is Rivera safe? Who knows? Will the GM be given say so on Rivera? Don't know. So, we really can't move forward without knowing one or the other.

Great, we put in a request to interview Ross and we've retained a head coach with a questionable resume while other HC candidates are already locking in interviews.

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The open GM and HC spots (Minus the team Reid goes too) are just in the interview stages, there's ton's of candidates that aren't available for interview because they don't have a bye week. It's also not out of question that a GM doesn't like the HC possibilities this season and would let Rivera keep his job for a season as a tryout.

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