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#16 mjligon

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:13 PM

Lets hire Matt Moore

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:22 PM

This is a very important point. I remember watching Cam in pre-season and early this season, and thinking he was playing "tight", probably due to thinking too much about the offseason coaching points.

i remember that when mccoy was fired for basically doing nothing with jake we brought in rip scherer to try and make him more technically efficient and all that happened was jake's brain was cluttered with TMI and couldn't play instinctively like he used to and at that point he had more than enough problems. they tried scaling back the "coaching" and tried to let him play looser, but i think it was too little too late. jake was a naturally talented player. it wasn't pretty, but it worked a lot. bret favre was the same way and you could go through a whole lot of QBs who were good, but weren't technicians and were, in fact, just ugly.

cam is a very natural player as well and he's done a lot of improving technically, which is good, but i don't want to push it or force the issue because i don't want to change who cam is.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:35 PM

i remember that when mccoy was fired for basically doing nothing with jake we brought in rip scherer to try and make him more technically efficient and all that happened was jake's brain was cluttered with TMI and couldn't play instinctively like he used to and at that point he had more than enough problems. they tried scaling back the "coaching" and tried to let him play looser, but i think it was too little too late. jake was a naturally talented player. it wasn't pretty, but it worked a lot. bret favre was the same way and you could go through a whole lot of QBs who were good, but weren't technicians and were, in fact, just ugly.

cam is a very natural player as well and he's done a lot of improving technically, which is good, but i don't want to push it or force the issue because i don't want to change who cam is.


Yep, Delhomme was a gambling gunslinger....was kind of silly to "fix" him with the QB coach change. Those type guys don't need to over think

To a degree, you gotta let Cam play playground ball

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:44 PM

I don't want just a playmaker at QB, I want a surgeon. I want Cam to be a play-making surgeon. So yes, he needs to work on his footwork, and learn to throw with anticipation. He needs to know where all his guys are on the field, and manipulate defenses. Then and only then will Cam be the best QB in the league. A bigger and faster version of Aaron Rodgers.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:57 PM

I don't want just a playmaker at QB, I want a surgeon. I want Cam to be a play-making surgeon. So yes, he needs to work on his footwork, and learn to throw with anticipation. He needs to know where all his guys are on the field, and manipulate defenses. Then and only then will Cam be the best QB in the league. A bigger and faster version of Aaron Rodgers.


Attempts to change a quarterback into a different kind of quarterback pretty much never work. The better approach is to recognize what he is (a mobile gunslinger) and just make him the best version of that he can be.

And as others have said in this thread, Shula's developing him just fine. The O-Line needs improvement which will help Newton a lot, but no, Shula isn't failing him.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:58 PM

I don't want just a playmaker at QB, I want a surgeon. I want Cam to be a play-making surgeon. So yes, he needs to work on his footwork, and learn to throw with anticipation. He needs to know where all his guys are on the field, and manipulate defenses. Then and only then will Cam be the best QB in the league. A bigger and faster version of Aaron Rodgers.

I don't think people realize he only just finished his second season.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 09:00 PM

He throws off his backfoot a lot. I mean a whole lot. That's just Cam being Cam, I've come to accept this. His inaccuracies are him being a gun slinger. Come to accept this fact too. He just needs better decision making and that comes with experience, which he's done by playing two full seasons. He'll be better next year.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 09:03 PM

Attempts to change a quarterback into a different kind of quarterback pretty much never work. The better approach is to recognize what he is (a mobile gunslinger) and just make him the best version of that he can be.

And as others have said in this thread, Shula's developing him just fine. The O-Line needs improvement which will help Newton a lot, but no, Shula isn't failing him.


Cam's more than a gunslinger. I've seen him make very accurate throws. Bullet passes on point, and throws that were dropped in on a dime. Yet for throws that weren't accurate, he was throwing falling back off the wrong foot, not fully stepping into them. If it weren't for his arm strength, a lot of his passes would have been picked off. Yet all in all, when his footwork is on point, he is very accurate.

So I want a coach who will encourage Cam to be consistent in that footwork. Not just a playmaker. If we get a coach or coaches who only wants Cam to be a gunslinging play making QB, he will never reach his potential. We will struggle to make the playoffs every year because of it.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 09:06 PM

Cam's more than a gunslinger. I've seen him make very accurate throws. Bullet passes on point, and throws that were dropped in on a dime. Yet for throws that weren't accurate, he was throwing falling back off the wrong foot, not fully stepping into them. If it weren't for his arm strength, a lot of his passes would have been picked off. Yet all in all, when his footwork is on point, he is very accurate.

So I want a coach who will encourage Cam to be consistent in that footwork. Not just a playmaker. If we get a coach or coaches who only wants Cam to be a gunslinging play making QB, he will never reach his potential. We will struggle to make the playoffs every year because of it.


Any QB coach is going to work with him on the fundamentals. I know it's important to Shula.

Newton makes some incredible throws. He also makes some incredulous throws. Like every gunslinger, he's a mix of "how did he do that" and "why did he do that" and probably always will be. You just have to maximize the positives and minimize the negatives (essentially the way they coached Favre).

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 09:08 PM

I don't want just a playmaker at QB, I want a surgeon. I want Cam to be a play-making surgeon.... A bigger and faster version of Aaron Rodgers.

you're just setting yourself up for disappointment then. totally unrealistic expectation.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 09:10 PM

I don't think people realize he only just finished his second season.


I agree. We all need to remember that for most of Cam's football career (high school, college), he was taught to be a playmaker. Yet he never really received any polished teaching, if I can use that term. By that I mean having good footwork, and throwing with anticipation, etc. We get a coach who will teach him those things, Cam will tranform into a legendary QB.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 09:10 PM

Attempts to change a quarterback into a different kind of quarterback pretty much never work. The better approach is to recognize what he is (a mobile gunslinger) and just make him the best version of that he can be.

And as others have said in this thread, Shula's developing him just fine. The O-Line needs improvement which will help Newton a lot, but no, Shula isn't failing him.

agreed completely.

cam on his current trajectory is shaping into one of the most dominant QBs in the game.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 09:16 PM

I agree. We all need to remember that for most of Cam's football career (high school, college), he was taught to be a playmaker. Yet he never really received any polished teaching, if I can use that term. By that I mean having good footwork, and throwing with anticipation, etc. We get a coach who will teach him those things, Cam will tranform into a legendary QB.

I believe the light will come on eventually no matter what. Yes people, he has done all of this already and the light hasn't even come on yet. Wait until year four or five and we will see some amazing things from this guy. Imagine how godly he will be five years from now!

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 09:17 PM

agreed completely.

cam on his current trajectory is shaping into one of the most dominant QBs in the game.


Favre wasn't always the most accurate thrower either, but he got the done and frustrated the living hell out of his opponents in the process. I can easily see Newton doing that.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 09:21 PM

Any QB coach is going to work with him on the fundamentals. I know it's important to Shula.

Newton makes some incredible throws. He also makes some incredulous throws. Like every gunslinger, he's a mix of "how did he do that" and "why did he do that" and probably always will be. You just have to maximize the positives and minimize the negatives (essentially the way they coached Favre).


Yet his bad throws aren't because of a gunslinging mentality. It's solely because of footwork, and eye balling one receiver. (Go with option one no matter what) I see gun slinging as just trying to make the big play on every down, yet with Cam, I see a willingness to make smart throws. I see him look off defenders like in that Eagles game. Gunslingers don't have stretches where they do not throw interceptions. It would be a perfect game for them if they don't throw an interception. Cam had 4-5 games where he didn't throw an int.

We just need the right coach to train him on that consistency. The guys we have in there now wanted to make Cam a one man show for most the season. Had they coach the season the way they did the last few games, Cam would have thrown much less ints, and more tds. Showing his true skills. Give me someone like Bruce Arians, a cat who knows how the QB position should be played, and we will see Cam's true skills emerge.


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