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#46 Mr. Scot

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:49 PM

Delhomme was fine until his Tommy John surgery. After that, his arm strength got worse with each passing year. It was Delhomme's arm strength that did him in, but I would agree that Delhomme was a gambler.

Look at Newton's 2010 season with Auburn. In the SEC, he threw 30 tds to just 7 ints. Would you say that is gun slinging stats? Now Peyton in his rookie year (throwing to one of the best receivers in the history of the game), threw for a record 28 ints. Is Peyton a gun slinger? I see that same kind of fire in Newton's eyes to be the best QB in the game, to be an accurate passer. (I remember in an interview with Rachel Nichols, he commented on how his dad told him the correct way of holding the football was up high, but he later find out his dad didn't know what he was talking about. ^_^ So even in that piece, I see Cam's desire to be a fundamentally sound QB)

Again a 30 td/7 ints ratio are surgeon QB type numbers. I want to see that in Cam for the majority of his career, and we will see that with the right coaching. Coaches who desire to see the best out of Cam, and not just see a physical rushing threat of a passer.


I'd call that a college offense. And, other than some unfortunate experimentation early this season, a different system.

Gunslingers aren't the only guys who throw picks. They just happen to be the guys who take the most chances, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:55 PM

I think the KC game (even though it was a loss Cam played very well) showed how far Cam has come and how he isn't as far away from his potential as some you may think. He just needs to become more consistent with time and experience.

But there were five throws in that game that really stood out to me, in order from least to most impressive:

1. On Cam's last TD to Murphy, the throw and footwork were perfect and he placed the slant on a rope exactly where it needed to be. However, he also stared Murphy down and the throw could have been much more dangerous if the linebackers that were following Cam's eyes had a split-second longer to get to where he was obviously going with the ball. But the throw itself was great, and led Murphy right into the endzone.

2. On Cam's first TD to Olsen, the line had given up pressure right up the middle and Cam literally flipped the ball twenty yards downfield without even setting his feet. What was great about it is that it was the perfect place to take that kind of risky throw because Olsen had no coverage over the top and his defender was oblivious to anything else because of how badly Olsen had burned him and was desperately trying to catch up, so if the pass was overthrown the worst that would have happened was an incomplete pass. But Olsen hauled it in and was off to the races on the kind of throw only a very few quarterbacks in the NFL could even attempt.

3. On Cam's long bomb to LaFell that should have been a touchdown, he recognized before the snap that the Chiefs were about to send a heavy blitz, stepped up to the line to shout out adjustments and then called hurriedly for the snap as the play clock was almost dead. The pass rush broke through almost immediately, and if anyone goes and looks at the All-22 video of the throw they would have to believe Cam had a psychic connection with LaFell because he starts the throw before LaFell has even made his double move on the defender, and the ball could not have been placed any more perfectly for LaFell than if Cam had handed it off to him. I hate so much that LaFell flat out dropped the ball, because it was an incredible throw made under heavy pressure.

4. On Cam's TD to Smith, he executed a fantastic pumpfake to get the defense rolling towards the right, then turns back and gives Smith a beautiful touch pass down the left sideline right into the endzone. Cam didn't even really lead into the throw, he just sort of calmly flicked it up and put it where only Smith had a shot at it, and Smitty turned on the jets and left the DB in the dust and pulled in a great catch for the score.

5. The most impressive of all of Cam's throws in this game wasn't even a potential scoring play, but on a third and long he saw Smith running an out route on the right sideline between bracket coverage, set his feet in perfect form, stepped fully into the throw, and threw a strike so absolutely on point that the underneath defender could only helplessly watch it streak over his head and fall perfectly into Smith's breadbasket. You could audibly hear Mike Martz jizz himself as he described the beauty of that pass, because many lesser quarterbacks wouldn't dream of attempting that kind of pass, much less completing it without the slightest contest from the defense.

If the Cam that showed up in the latter half of the year is a sign of what he will be in the future, then we've got the most complete package in the NFL at quarterback. Can't wait!

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:57 PM

Yep, Delhomme was a gambling gunslinger....was kind of silly to "fix" him with the QB coach change. Those type guys don't need to over think

To a degree, you gotta let Cam play playground ball


Good point here. Delhomme and Cam are a lot alike in that regard... not athletically but in their penchant for just making plays.

There's a golf analogy in here... take a guy like Bubba Watson for those of you that know golf... he has a horrible golf swing... it's terrible. The guy hits the ball 350 yards and won the Masters, because even though his swing is horrible, he knows how to use it. You don't fug with his swing.

Same thing with Cam... don't be screwing with his mechanics beyond the general, because you'll end up teaching him out of his "comfort zone" and he'll get all mental with his play. That is the last thing we want.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:53 PM

I'd call that a college offense. And, other than some unfortunate experimentation early this season, a different system.

Gunslingers aren't the only guys who throw picks. They just happen to be the guys who take the most chances, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.


When I think of gunslingers, I think of a guy like Matthew Stafford. Anybody who have seen Stafford play, knows he pretty much just slings the ball around any way he can. I've seen him sling the ball sideways on multiple occasions, just flicking that thing out there. Is that how you see Cam being throughout his career, plus his running ability?

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:59 PM

When I think of gunslingers, I think of a guy like Matthew Stafford. Anybody who have seen Stafford play, knows he pretty much just slings the ball around any way he can. I've seen him sling the ball sideways on multiple occasions, just flicking that thing out there. Is that how you see Cam being throughout his career, plus his running ability?


Not the definition of a gunslinger.

A gunslinger QB is one that takes more chances than others might. He's a gambler by nature, mostly because he believes strongly in his ability to get the ball to his guy even if it looks like he's covered.

Tell me that's not Newton.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:09 PM

Not the definition of a gunslinger.

A gunslinger QB is one that takes more chances than others might. He's a gambler by nature, mostly because he believes strongly in his ability to get the ball to his guy even if it looks like he's covered.

Tell me that's not Newton.


I don't know know if I can say he is a gambler. I haven't seen him throw in to receivers that are completely draped on a consistent basis. I see Cam wait for his guy to come open, then he rockets it to him as best he can. I don't think gunslingers have the kind of patience Newton has shown. Stafford definitely take a lot of chances, part of that might be because of Johnson, but he definitely takes more chances than any QB I've seen recently.

It's still too early to officially see Cam's type of play, but I've seen him have a penchant for being calculating and throwing an accurate ball.


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