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[Marguide]

Thread title aside, I think this is a no-brainer.

[SIGCHI222]

Next man up.

[Growl]

Thread title aside, I think this is a no-brainer.

the thing is that our team really doesn't have the depth for this kind of philosophy

Hurney magic

[beastson]

Not a fan of cutting Gamble

The only person I want gone to help the cap is Gross and D.Will

And any other useless player

[The Special One]

Gamble turns 30 in March and has some good years left but he makes too much damn money. We have to cut his ass.

[Kevin Greene]

Not a fan of cutting Gamble

The only person I want gone to help the cap is Gross and D.Will

And any other useless player

We save 7.9 million by cutting Gamble, what would we save cutting those two?

DWill's 2013 cap number is 4.75 million, there would be a massive cap hit if the signing bonus all went to next year:

7/29/2011: Signed a five-year, $43 million contract. The deal contains $21 million guaranteed, including a $16 million signing bonus and $5 million of Williams' second-year base salary. 2012: $5.25 million, 2013: $4.75 million, 2014: $5.75 million, 2015: $6.75 million, 2016: Free Agent

Gross, I dont know what's guaranteed..

2/19/2009: Signed a six-year, $60 million contract. The deal included a $5 million signing bonus. 2012: $8.5 million, 2013: $8.7 million, 2014: $6.7 million (+ $1 million roster bonus), 2015: Free Agent

Then there's Stewart's contract:

8/11/2012: Signed a six-year, $37.811 million contract. The deal contains $22.5 million guaranteed, including a $9 million signing bonus. Another $6 million is available through incentives based on 1,200-yard rushing seasons and 1,600 all-purpose yard seasons. 2012: $811,250, 2013: $1 million, 2014: $1.5 million (+ $9 million option bonus), 2015: $4.25 million, 2016: $5 million, 2017: $5.5 million, 2018: Free Agent

[Chaos]

Better players have been cap casualties. Go for it.

[Marguide]

the thing is that our team really doesn't have the depth for this kind of philosophy

Hurney magic

Why not?

Did our CB's get toasted repeatedly the 2nd half of the year (Norman excluded). How much more could Chris have done than Thomas?

I'm not saying Chris isn't good, because he is, but we have to make some decisions this offseason to get our cap in order, and Chris is definitely low hanging fruit.

[beastson]

We save 7.9 million by cutting Gamble, what would we save cutting those two?

DWill's 2013 cap number is 4.75 million, there would be a massive cap hit if the signing bonus all went to next year:

7/29/2011: Signed a five-year, $43 million contract. The deal contains $21 million guaranteed, including a $16 million signing bonus and $5 million of Williams' second-year base salary. 2012: $5.25 million, 2013: $4.75 million, 2014: $5.75 million, 2015: $6.75 million, 2016: Free Agent

Gross, I dont know what's guaranteed..

2/19/2009: Signed a six-year, $60 million contract. The deal included a $5 million signing bonus. 2012: $8.5 million, 2013: $8.7 million, 2014: $6.7 million (+ $1 million roster bonus), 2015: Free Agent

Im not sure about cap

I'm going purely off production

Only issue about Gross is our o-line is already terrible

[Kevin Greene]

Im not sure about cap

I'm going purely off production

Only issue about Gross is our o-line is already terrible

Only problem is releasing DWill and Gross I think would increase our Cap figure which we will be desperate to get under do to Hurney incompetence.
Sadly at 8.7 million for 2013 I'd go with drafting OT with our 1st pick and letting the Rookie/Gross sort out the LT/RT position between themselves.
More Hurney magic.

[Black]

He was on ESPN730 the other day saying the same thing. I love Gamble, but the cuts are going to be based on cap hit way more than talent at this point. Hopefully Gamble restructures, but I wouldn't hold my breath. We were the number 10 defense without Gamble or Beason for the majority of the year, so let's not act like we're doomed without them. Right now, we need to correct Hurney's mistakes, and if that means losing a few beloved players, then so be it.

[Kevin Greene]

He was on ESPN730 the other day saying the same thing. I love Gamble, but the cuts are going to be based on cap hit way more than talent at this point. Hopefully Gamble restructures, but I wouldn't hold my breath. We were the number 10 defense without Gamble or Beason for the majority of the year, so let's not act like we're doomed without them. Right now, we need to correct Hurney's mistakes, and if that means losing a few beloved players, then so be it.

It is going to be painful but we have to move past the Hurney stupidity.

[carolina-chuck]

Im fine with cutting Gamble. It'd be a very good move eventhough hes been playing well. Its not like he's our missing piece from a Super Bowl. Cut Gamble and go out draft a young CB or sign someone average like a McKelvin or Cason on a 1 year deal or something.

[Marguide]

We save 7.9 million by cutting Gamble, what would we save cutting those two?

DWill's 2013 cap number is 4.75 million, there would be a massive cap hit if the signing bonus all went to next year:

7/29/2011: Signed a five-year, $43 million contract. The deal contains $21 million guaranteed, including a $16 million signing bonus and $5 million of Williams' second-year base salary. 2012: $5.25 million, 2013: $4.75 million, 2014: $5.75 million, 2015: $6.75 million, 2016: Free Agent

Gross, I dont know what's guaranteed..

2/19/2009: Signed a six-year, $60 million contract. The deal included a $5 million signing bonus. 2012: $8.5 million, 2013: $8.7 million, 2014: $6.7 million (+ $1 million roster bonus), 2015: Free Agent

Then there's Stewart's contract:

8/11/2012: Signed a six-year, $37.811 million contract. The deal contains $22.5 million guaranteed, including a $9 million signing bonus. Another $6 million is available through incentives based on 1,200-yard rushing seasons and 1,600 all-purpose yard seasons. 2012: $811,250, 2013: $1 million, 2014: $1.5 million (+ $9 million option bonus), 2015: $4.25 million, 2016: $5 million, 2017: $5.5 million, 2018: Free Agent

We can save a few million next year by cutting DWill June 1st. All we would have to take in unallocated bonus is $3,2 million in 2013 and we avoid his salary.

Gross appears to only have $1 million left in unallocated bonus and his cap hit is over $11 million, so there is big savings there assuming there is not some guaranteed money left.

Forget Stewart. As near as I can tell he is un-cuttable and un-tradeable from a cap standpoint.

[Daddy Uncle]

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