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ESPN's Pat Yasinskas believes the Panthers will "almost have to cut" LCB Chris Gamble this offseason.


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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:21 PM

You're 2012 starting seconday!!!

LCB - Josh Thomas
RCB - James Dockery
SS- D.J. Campbell
FS- Charles Godfrey

This screams Super Bowl...

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:22 PM

Let me just get this out the way

Don't get too caught up in this late year performance. Next year teams will gameplan and key in on our secondary much more without Gamble. Don't think losing him won't matter

Trust that

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:22 PM

You're 2012 starting seconday!!!

LCB - Josh Thomas
RCB - James Dockery
SS- Charles Godfrey
FS- D.J. Campbell

This screams Super Bowl...



GOD NO

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:23 PM

Next year could get ugly

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:26 PM

Let me just get this out the way

Don't get too caught up in this late year performance. Next year teams will gameplan and key in on our secondary much more without Gamble. Don't think losing him won't matter

Trust that


I got a feeling that we're gonna get a lot younger really soon.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:27 PM

Next year could get ugly


I can already see it.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:27 PM

Id rather try and trade him than cut him. Like eagles did with Samuel. You won't get equal value but better than nothing.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:30 PM

You're 2012 starting seconday!!!

LCB - Josh Thomas
RCB - James Dockery
SS- Charles Godfrey
FS- D.J. Campbell

This screams Super Bowl...


First, swap Godfrey and DJ. Godfrey plays FS when DJ plays.

If our D-line plays like they did for most of the year, we may be okay with these guys along with some young talent behind them. Hey, at least Nakamura's not in there.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:32 PM

First, swap Godfrey and DJ. Godfrey plays FS when DJ plays.

If our D-line plays like they did for most of the year, we may be okay with these guys along with some young talent behind them. Hey, at least Nakamura's not in there.


Is it sad that bullethead might be the best in that group lol.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:32 PM

You're 2012 starting seconday!!!

LCB - Josh Thomas
RCB - James Dockery
SS- Charles Godfrey
FS- D.J. Campbell

This screams Super Bowl...


They were good enough to beat Drew Brees and Matt Ryan, cant go anywhere but up. And no matter how good a secondary is its nothing without a pass rush. Some of the best CBs in the league right now were no name/undrafted guys before they got their status.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:34 PM

We save 7.9 million by cutting Gamble, what would we save cutting those two?

DWill's 2013 cap number is 4.75 million, there would be a massive cap hit if the signing bonus all went to next year:

7/29/2011: Signed a five-year, $43 million contract. The deal contains $21 million guaranteed, including a $16 million signing bonus and $5 million of Williams' second-year base salary. 2012: $5.25 million, 2013: $4.75 million, 2014: $5.75 million, 2015: $6.75 million, 2016: Free Agent

Gross, I dont know what's guaranteed..

2/19/2009: Signed a six-year, $60 million contract. The deal included a $5 million signing bonus. 2012: $8.5 million, 2013: $8.7 million, 2014: $6.7 million (+ $1 million roster bonus), 2015: Free Agent

Then there's Stewart's contract:

8/11/2012: Signed a six-year, $37.811 million contract. The deal contains $22.5 million guaranteed, including a $9 million signing bonus. Another $6 million is available through incentives based on 1,200-yard rushing seasons and 1,600 all-purpose yard seasons. 2012: $811,250, 2013: $1 million, 2014: $1.5 million (+ $9 million option bonus), 2015: $4.25 million, 2016: $5 million, 2017: $5.5 million, 2018: Free Agent

Williams counts roughly 8 million toward the cap in 2013 (4.75 salary and 3.2 signing bonus).. If we cut him as a June 1st cut the three years of guaranteed money of 3.2 times 3 or 9.9 million will cost roughly 5 million in 2013 and 2014. So we save 3 million in 2013 but have 5 million in dead cap space in 2014. If we take it all in 2013, we actually lose him and his cap hit would go up from 8 million to 9.6 million. Not likely unless we do it as a June 1st cut.

Gross on the other hand counts 11.7 million against the cap. His guaranteed money left is 4 million which if you take it as a June 1st cut it is 2 million in 2013 and 2 million in 2014. So you save 9.7 million in 2013 and have 2 million in dead cap space in 2014 which is very possible. Gross is going to be 33 in July and not the probowl player he was.

Stewart you can't cut realistically or all the rest of that 22.5 million guaranteed money comes due immediately. Not going to happen.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:36 PM

They were good enough to beat Drew Brees and Matt Ryan, cant go anywhere but up. And no matter how good a secondary is its nothing without a pass rush. Some of the best CBs in the league right now were no name/undrafted guys before they got their status.


That's 1/4th of the season and they were also sh*t against Brady Quinn.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:38 PM

Williams counts roughly 8 million toward the cap in 2013 (4.75 salary and 3.2 signing bonus).. If we cut him as a June 1st cut the three years of guaranteed money of 3.2 times 3 or 9.9 million will cost roughly 5 million in 2013 and 2014. So we save 3 million in 2013 but have 5 million in dead cap space in 2014. If we take it all in 2013, we actually lose him and his cap hit would go up from 8 million to 9.6 million. Not likely unless we do it as a June 1st cut.

Gross on the other hand counts 11.7 million against the cap. His guaranteed money left is 4 million which if you take it as a June 1st cut it is 2 million in 2013 and 2 million in 2014. So you save 9.7 million in 2013 and have 2 million in dead cap space in 2014 which is very possible. Gross is going to be 33 in July and not the probowl player he was.

Stewart you can't cut realistically or all the rest of that 22.5 million guaranteed money comes due immediately. Not going to happen.



So pretty much we can assume Gamble, Gross and Dwill (Or some combination thereof) are gone and we're stuck with a gimpy Stewart who's contrtact is simply too toxic to touch.
And of course would be losing the production those players would provide and would most likely be replaced with cheap "talent".

Then there is Beason's contarct and his 19 total tackles the last 2 years.

7/29/2011: Signed a six-year, $51.338 million contract. The deal contains $25 million guaranteed, including a $20 million signing bonus. 2012: $1.25 million, 2013: $5.25 million, 2014: $6.5 million, 2015: $7.5 million, 2016: $8.75 million, 2017: Free Agent

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:40 PM

They were good enough to beat Drew Brees and Matt Ryan, cant go anywhere but up. And no matter how good a secondary is its nothing without a pass rush. Some of the best CBs in the league right now were no name/undrafted guys before they got their status.


In 2003 our starting secondary was Mike Minter, Reggie Howard, Deon Grant, and Terry Cousins.

As you say not many big names there outside of Minter.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:40 PM

Williams counts roughly 8 million toward the cap in 2013 (4.75 salary and 3.2 signing bonus).. If we cut him as a June 1st cut the three years of guaranteed money of 3.2 times 3 or 9.9 million will cost roughly 5 million in 2013 and 2014. So we save 3 million in 2013 but have 5 million in dead cap space in 2014. If we take it all in 2013, we actually lose him and his cap hit would go up from 8 million to 9.6 million. Not likely unless we do it as a June 1st cut.

Gross on the other hand counts 11.7 million against the cap. His guaranteed money left is 4 million which if you take it as a June 1st cut it is 2 million in 2013 and 2 million in 2014. So you save 9.7 million in 2013 and have 2 million in dead cap space in 2014 which is very possible. Gross is going to be 33 in July and not the probowl player he was.

Stewart you can't cut realistically or all the rest of that 22.5 million guaranteed money comes due immediately. Not going to happen.



I was gonna ask if anyone knows how to do their math around here so if you have the time, how much money would we have if say in a scenario that we: Cut Gamble, Cut Dwill, and trade Beason to a team like Baltimore? or in a better scenario that would help us more.

Could we have enough money that we'd be under the cap and still able to go out and sign guys like Chung and McKelvin for next season?


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