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ESPN's Pat Yasinskas believes the Panthers will "almost have to cut" LCB Chris Gamble this offseason.


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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:42 PM

In 2003 our starting secondary was Mike Minter, Reggie Howard, Deon Grant, and Terry Cousins.

As you say not many big names there outside of Minter.


Grant was a solid player and Reggie Howard and Cousins are better than at least two of the players that are "current starters".

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:42 PM

In 2003 our starting secondary was Mike Minter, Reggie Howard, Deon Grant, and Terry Cousins.

As you say not many big names there outside of Minter.



I'd take Minter, Howard, Grant and Cousins over the guys we have now. $hit

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:54 PM

So pretty much we can assume Gamble, Gross and Dwill (Or some combination thereof) are gone and we're stuck with a gimpy Stewart who's contrtact is simply too toxic to touch.
And of course would be losing the production those players would provide and would most likely be replaced with cheap "talent".

I think Gross would be a candidate as would Gamble but I don't know that we couldn't keep Gamble and still reach our goal. Williams could be a candidate but his dead cap space of almost 5 million in 2014 would be a lot given the cap saving next year would only be around 3 million. I would think guys like Nakamura and Ron Edwards are likely casualties. We might get rid of Tolbert who is due a 1.5 option bonus plus his 1 million salary and the signing bonus proration of 500,000 for a cap hit of 3 million. If we cut him his accelerated guaranteed money of 1.5 million means we save 1.5 million. If we keep him, we convert the 1.5 option into a signing bonus so he costs 2 million in 2013 with a salary of 1 million and a prorated signing bonus of 1 million which is the option spread out over 3 years 500,000 each year and a 500,000 signing bonus from before.

We could keep Gamble and just with these cuts could be below the cap.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:01 AM

That's 1/4th of the season and they were also sh*t against Brady Quinn.



The whole defense was poo against Brady Quinn. And it wasnt like we were actually playing better before they stepped in, we got better once they did.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:02 AM

Grant was a solid player and Reggie Howard and Cousins are better than at least two of the players that are "current starters".

Back in 2003 none of them were that good. Our defensive pressure made them look better than they were. But it is hard to say we have any great ones this year either.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:03 AM

Gross Has 5-6 Million left in guaranteed money on his deal. It would save the team around 8.7 million this season if done as a June 1st cut. If he's cut along with Nak and Edwards the team would save around 13 million, putting the team around 500k under the Cap. Now if the team Cut's dwill and makes it a June 1st cut, then the team is 3.7 million under the Cap. Still not enough to get everything done that's needed in the off season. If you add Tolbert to that total, the team is roughly 5.2 million under. However, the team would be in need of a RB and a FB, either through FA or the draft after cutting 2 of the 3 main ball carriers. With Stewart's health concerns, RB would become a question mark, and absolutely void of talent if Stewart gets injured again.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:04 AM

I'd take Minter, Howard, Grant and Cousins over the guys we have now. $hit

Lets see what we end up with in 2013 before we decide who is better. Not sure everyone who played due to injuries would start otherwise.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:04 AM

This whole thing is a mess

Ugggh Hurney and JR fail

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:05 AM

Kuechly and TD played well against KC and Chris Gamble only played four games, so you can't really use that as an argument.

Munnerlyn probably won't be back, Norman struggled throughout the season, Dockery and Thomas played well down the stretch but one for half of the season (Bullethead) and the other for a fourth of the season (Dockery)

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:06 AM

The pressure on the incoming GM to have a stellar draft is going to be immense.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:08 AM

The pressure on the incoming GM to have a stellar draft is going to be immense.


Agree with this 1000%, can't afford a hiccup this offseason.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:12 AM

Back in 2003 none of them were that good. Our defensive pressure made them look better than they were. But it is hard to say we have any great ones this year either.


Won't disagree with you there but they played better with what amounted to be about the same amount of pressure as this Panthers team had.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:17 AM

double post- please delete

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:18 AM

I was gonna ask if anyone knows how to do their math around here so if you have the time, how much money would we have if say in a scenario that we: Cut Gamble, Cut Dwill, and trade Beason to a team like Baltimore? or in a better scenario that would help us more.

Could we have enough money that we'd be under the cap and still able to go out and sign guys like Chung and McKelvin for next season?

You can't do much with Beason. Trading him is the same as cutting him and he would cost more to cut than to pay him his salary. We could restructure but that just gives up more dead cap space down the road if he can't play at a high level. Cutting Gross would save 7.7 million or as a June 1st cut it would be 9.7 million with a 2 million dead cap hit in 2014. Cutting D Will only works as a June 1st cut so you would save roughly 3 million in 2013 but have a dead salary cap hit of almost 5 million in 2014. Gamble saves you roughly 7 million if you cut him.
There are other cuts you could make like Ron Edwards, Nakamura, Tolbert, Dwan Edwards and Clausen.

As for signing other guys I have no idea what they would cost.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:18 AM

Yeah, trading Beason would never happen anyway. 19 tackles since 2011. Not much demand for that.


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