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ESPN's Pat Yasinskas believes the Panthers will "almost have to cut" LCB Chris Gamble this offseason.


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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:34 PM

We save 7.9 million by cutting Gamble, what would we save cutting those two?

DWill's 2013 cap number is 4.75 million, there would be a massive cap hit if the signing bonus all went to next year:

7/29/2011: Signed a five-year, $43 million contract. The deal contains $21 million guaranteed, including a $16 million signing bonus and $5 million of Williams' second-year base salary. 2012: $5.25 million, 2013: $4.75 million, 2014: $5.75 million, 2015: $6.75 million, 2016: Free Agent

Gross, I dont know what's guaranteed..

2/19/2009: Signed a six-year, $60 million contract. The deal included a $5 million signing bonus. 2012: $8.5 million, 2013: $8.7 million, 2014: $6.7 million (+ $1 million roster bonus), 2015: Free Agent

Then there's Stewart's contract:

8/11/2012: Signed a six-year, $37.811 million contract. The deal contains $22.5 million guaranteed, including a $9 million signing bonus. Another $6 million is available through incentives based on 1,200-yard rushing seasons and 1,600 all-purpose yard seasons. 2012: $811,250, 2013: $1 million, 2014: $1.5 million (+ $9 million option bonus), 2015: $4.25 million, 2016: $5 million, 2017: $5.5 million, 2018: Free Agent

Williams counts roughly 8 million toward the cap in 2013 (4.75 salary and 3.2 signing bonus).. If we cut him as a June 1st cut the three years of guaranteed money of 3.2 times 3 or 9.9 million will cost roughly 5 million in 2013 and 2014. So we save 3 million in 2013 but have 5 million in dead cap space in 2014. If we take it all in 2013, we actually lose him and his cap hit would go up from 8 million to 9.6 million. Not likely unless we do it as a June 1st cut.

Gross on the other hand counts 11.7 million against the cap. His guaranteed money left is 4 million which if you take it as a June 1st cut it is 2 million in 2013 and 2 million in 2014. So you save 9.7 million in 2013 and have 2 million in dead cap space in 2014 which is very possible. Gross is going to be 33 in July and not the probowl player he was.

Stewart you can't cut realistically or all the rest of that 22.5 million guaranteed money comes due immediately. Not going to happen.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:36 PM

They were good enough to beat Drew Brees and Matt Ryan, cant go anywhere but up. And no matter how good a secondary is its nothing without a pass rush. Some of the best CBs in the league right now were no name/undrafted guys before they got their status.


That's 1/4th of the season and they were also sh*t against Brady Quinn.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:38 PM

Williams counts roughly 8 million toward the cap in 2013 (4.75 salary and 3.2 signing bonus).. If we cut him as a June 1st cut the three years of guaranteed money of 3.2 times 3 or 9.9 million will cost roughly 5 million in 2013 and 2014. So we save 3 million in 2013 but have 5 million in dead cap space in 2014. If we take it all in 2013, we actually lose him and his cap hit would go up from 8 million to 9.6 million. Not likely unless we do it as a June 1st cut.

Gross on the other hand counts 11.7 million against the cap. His guaranteed money left is 4 million which if you take it as a June 1st cut it is 2 million in 2013 and 2 million in 2014. So you save 9.7 million in 2013 and have 2 million in dead cap space in 2014 which is very possible. Gross is going to be 33 in July and not the probowl player he was.

Stewart you can't cut realistically or all the rest of that 22.5 million guaranteed money comes due immediately. Not going to happen.



So pretty much we can assume Gamble, Gross and Dwill (Or some combination thereof) are gone and we're stuck with a gimpy Stewart who's contrtact is simply too toxic to touch.
And of course would be losing the production those players would provide and would most likely be replaced with cheap "talent".

Then there is Beason's contarct and his 19 total tackles the last 2 years.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:40 PM

They were good enough to beat Drew Brees and Matt Ryan, cant go anywhere but up. And no matter how good a secondary is its nothing without a pass rush. Some of the best CBs in the league right now were no name/undrafted guys before they got their status.


In 2003 our starting secondary was Mike Minter, Reggie Howard, Deon Grant, and Terry Cousins.

As you say not many big names there outside of Minter.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:40 PM

Williams counts roughly 8 million toward the cap in 2013 (4.75 salary and 3.2 signing bonus).. If we cut him as a June 1st cut the three years of guaranteed money of 3.2 times 3 or 9.9 million will cost roughly 5 million in 2013 and 2014. So we save 3 million in 2013 but have 5 million in dead cap space in 2014. If we take it all in 2013, we actually lose him and his cap hit would go up from 8 million to 9.6 million. Not likely unless we do it as a June 1st cut.

Gross on the other hand counts 11.7 million against the cap. His guaranteed money left is 4 million which if you take it as a June 1st cut it is 2 million in 2013 and 2 million in 2014. So you save 9.7 million in 2013 and have 2 million in dead cap space in 2014 which is very possible. Gross is going to be 33 in July and not the probowl player he was.

Stewart you can't cut realistically or all the rest of that 22.5 million guaranteed money comes due immediately. Not going to happen.



I was gonna ask if anyone knows how to do their math around here so if you have the time, how much money would we have if say in a scenario that we: Cut Gamble, Cut Dwill, and trade Beason to a team like Baltimore? or in a better scenario that would help us more.

Could we have enough money that we'd be under the cap and still able to go out and sign guys like Chung and McKelvin for next season?

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:42 PM

In 2003 our starting secondary was Mike Minter, Reggie Howard, Deon Grant, and Terry Cousins.

As you say not many big names there outside of Minter.


Grant was a solid player and Reggie Howard and Cousins are better than at least two of the players that are "current starters".

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:42 PM

In 2003 our starting secondary was Mike Minter, Reggie Howard, Deon Grant, and Terry Cousins.

As you say not many big names there outside of Minter.



I'd take Minter, Howard, Grant and Cousins over the guys we have now. $hit

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:54 PM

So pretty much we can assume Gamble, Gross and Dwill (Or some combination thereof) are gone and we're stuck with a gimpy Stewart who's contrtact is simply too toxic to touch.
And of course would be losing the production those players would provide and would most likely be replaced with cheap "talent".

I think Gross would be a candidate as would Gamble but I don't know that we couldn't keep Gamble and still reach our goal. Williams could be a candidate but his dead cap space of almost 5 million in 2014 would be a lot given the cap saving next year would only be around 3 million. I would think guys like Nakamura and Ron Edwards are likely casualties. We might get rid of Tolbert who is due a 1.5 option bonus plus his 1 million salary and the signing bonus proration of 500,000 for a cap hit of 3 million. If we cut him his accelerated guaranteed money of 1.5 million means we save 1.5 million. If we keep him, we convert the 1.5 option into a signing bonus so he costs 2 million in 2013 with a salary of 1 million and a prorated signing bonus of 1 million which is the option spread out over 3 years 500,000 each year and a 500,000 signing bonus from before.

We could keep Gamble and just with these cuts could be below the cap.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:01 AM

That's 1/4th of the season and they were also sh*t against Brady Quinn.



The whole defense was poo against Brady Quinn. And it wasnt like we were actually playing better before they stepped in, we got better once they did.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:02 AM

Grant was a solid player and Reggie Howard and Cousins are better than at least two of the players that are "current starters".

Back in 2003 none of them were that good. Our defensive pressure made them look better than they were. But it is hard to say we have any great ones this year either.


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