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Would you hire this guy as your head coach and pay him huge bucks?

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Personally I say we stick to our head coach that can't crack .500 even with a QB that's set records for 2 years now. 7-9 isn't awful, why take a risk?

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rayzor is right. This does sound like the same arguments against Cam and his transition to the NFL

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Kurb and I were discussing ol' Kelly on the Twitters last night, and I said that I'd prefer for him to come in as an OC first, but if somebody is willing to pay you, you take the money.

He is certainly capable of adjusting to the NFL, but I'm not sure how fast he can transition. He may need to transition one step at a time, but a coach like that wouldn't (and shouldn't) think he should have to.

I do know he's got two things that Ronnie lacks:

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History never lies.... it repeats itself sometimes...but it never lies

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first, i'd consider the notion that he has no playing experience or experience in the NFL, but i wouldn't base my decision to hire or not on it. it would be something i would have to weigh everything else around, though, and how i handled him. i think it matters, esp. when there are pretty much no examples of something like that happening, but just because something hasn't been done before doesn't mean it can't be. most of the time it results in failure, but that has never stopped the innovators and visionaries from trying and when success happens, it's big time.

it's a risk for sure, but so is hiring a DC or an OC or any assistant to take over the helm of a full team. it's dumb to hire someone without experience doing a job without having someone with them with experience.

i've said all along that the only way i'd hire him was if he was surrounded by NFL experienced coaches and, in fact, i would hire a DC with HC experience and name him an assistant head coach. every key position on his staff would have NFL experienced coaches. it's essential for the transition to be made.

now that seems like an awful lot of trouble, but it's not inconsistent with the way i would handle any HC with no previous NFL HC experience. it would also be done only if i thought it was worth the effort, and by doing that i would look at the whole picture and not just that part that says "he's just a college coach".

i'd look at the way he's running his program...not just his offense, but the whole program. i'd look most certainly at the way he runs his practices and how he runs his meetings. how do they get the players as a whole prepared for what they are going to do on game day? i'd look at the level of discipline. i'd look at the way he treated his players...if he treated them like a baby sitter would little kids or does he treat them like a man leading other men?

i'd look at his coaching philosophy and his knowledge of the game and see if it's transferable. i'd look to see if what he's doing is being done at the level i'm expecting. i'm looking to see what's different than what is being done and what is similar (and there's more similar than people realize in this case). i'd look to see the impact that he's having on not just coaching at his level, but at other levels, esp. at the pro level as well as who it was that was looking to him and what they were able to do with it. i'd look at his success rate, if the guy knows how to win. i'd look at the amount of time he spends on improving his team and if he's able to sell that to the rest of his team.

i'd also look to see if we had players that fit what he did, esp. at key positions. we do. it's a run heavy program and we've got stud ball carriers. we have a QB that played in very much the same type offense and team at auburn. we have an RB that played with him before. we have a very young team with a lot of energy that would be able to carry out what he wants to do. aside from the OL (which is in need of an overhaul or at the very least needs a lot of help anyway) we have most the pieces he needs. but, yeah....i'd like to see how much of a change in personnel would be needed to fit his program.

there's so much that would go into that decision, regardless of where he came from.

as i said in that other thread talking about pretty much the same thing...i'd also make sure that i was protected against his failure. i'd try and make the contract as incentive based as possible. you succeed, i'll make you a king. you fail, we'll part ways...but i'll give you time and rope to do it. i'll give you a probationary period at first with reasonable qualifiers along the way. first year has to be better than the year before you took over. after that, a winning season...bare minimum. after that winning season, then two winning seasons in a row and the playoffs. to do it i'll make sure you have a GM that will get you the players you feel you need for your program.

there would have to be a balance in the way i managed him, but all of it would hinge on this one thing, just as it would with any coach....can we win with him?

some coaches, just like some quarterbacks, come with a higher risk, but a higher ceiling. is it worth it? was it worth it to draft cam first overall? supposedly he had no experience in a "pro system". he had been with no team more than one year and he only had one year experience starting in a D1 school. he had a track record that wasn't exactly stellar. he wasn't beloved by many and wasn't believed by many within the pro ranks to have what it took. and it was the most important position on the team. it was a risk. sure, it was a bit measured because of the rookie cap, but even that brings a legit question...would cam, with the "obvious" questions and concerns be worth the size contract that previous early pick QBs had gotten?

some times you've got to take risks if you feel the end result could be spectacular and, just like with cam, the end result with chip could be just that.

of course all that doesn't really matter because i don't think we have an owner that will go out on a limb for kelly. reaching out for newton was hard enough, i'm sure. there'd have to be one incredible sales pitch made on JR to even get him to notice kelly because he's part of the closed and exclusive NFL club, which is unfortunate.

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^^^^^^^ /thread

crap that was a lot i wrote.

sorry.

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I gotta say I still dont see it myself despite a lot of credible people here telling me otherwise. No NFL connections and you want him as your HC? It seems like to me that Kelly should be kissing Harbough's ass for making him this sexy of a pick. I admit I dont know jack chit about college ball though.

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History never lies.... it repeats itself sometimes...but it never lies

while thats sounds mostly true, history is also written by the victors. . . so it can bend quite a bit.

We can take creditt from Jones for a lot of screw ups but then not credit him for the run that franchise had in its prime.

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I gotta say I still dont see it myself despite a lot of credible people here telling me otherwise. No NFL connections and you want him as your HC? It seems like to me that Kelly should be kissing Harbough's ass for making him this sexy of a pick. I admit I dont know jack chit about college ball though.

he educated gruden and belicheck and i'm sure there's others.

he's got connections. he just hasn't coached with anyone at that level.

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Jim Harbaugh was a shitty NFL QB. Nobody should ever hire him!

John Harbaugh didn't even play in the NFL and he was a special teams coach!!!!

How do NBA coaches know anything if they can't dunk!!!

various other self serving examples to prove my point!!!!

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panthers should look to the high school school ranks for a head coach. There are some real good ones

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