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#166 Mr. Scot

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:01 PM

KC knew they were going after Reid who was always going to want control over everything and bring in his own GM. Cleveland has been ran secretly (Not really a secret) By Lombardi and he's leaving the NFL network to take the job as GM. Kelly is his guy.

If Gamble gets the job in NY, he's got permission to fire Ryan at any time. It's the reason Ryan wasn't involved in the search. Gamble is most likely firing Ryan...


Reports are that GM candidates have been told they have to stick with Rex.

Owner Woody Johnson loves his persona.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:01 PM

i've known lots of experienced failures.

i think it can take more time with some, but i haven't seen that in rivera. i see only a guy who can win when desperate to keep his job and who's players will only step it up when that job is in jeopardy.

not sure how much i like that.

but to your point, experience does not always equal growth. prisons are full of people with tons of experience.


Agreed. But if anyone deserves commitment shouldn't it be the ones with experience instead of the learning-on-the-job types?
Anyways, I didn't want an experienced HC at all just making a point about Rivera. It seems HCs are the most stubborn to change and adapt, only the ones who are successful adapt right away.

#168 DoubleTrouble34

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:02 PM

Let's start getting used to the Beane

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:02 PM

Reports are that GM candidates have been told they have to stick with Rex.


It's not 100%, but there's rumors that they had to give Gamble power and they have decided to do that. So he'll have full control over if Rex stays or not based on that rumor.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:03 PM

I think it is the right decision. The players rallied for him and his technical coaching improved. AND he responded when Richardson put him on notice. This team is a potential 12 win team next year.

As for the GM this will not dissuade a GM from coming here one bit. Any potential GM candidate will be salivating over this role whether he has to keep Rivera for a year or not. This is the best GM job available right now.

And the Jets have done the same thing with Sexy Rexy

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:03 PM

I had a feeling Rivera would end up staying but I still feel Chud should go. There is no reason it should take 10 games for you to realize your play scheme is ineffective.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:04 PM

I think it is the right decision. The players rallied for him and his technical coaching improved. AND he responded when Richardson put him on notice. This team is a potential 12 win team next year.

As for the GM this will not dissuade a GM from coming here one bit. Any potential GM candidate will be salivating over this role whether he has to keep Rivera for a year or not. This is the best GM job available right now.

And the Jets have done the same thing with Sexy Rexy

this team has been a potential 12 win team for years, esp. the last couple.

i can appreciate the team rallying for their coach, but why can't rivera get them to do that earlier in the season? why can't he get his OC to adjust his scheme earlier? why does it take so long for positive things to happen?

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:05 PM

It's not 100%, but there's rumors that they had to give Gamble power and they have decided to do that. So he'll have full control over if Rex stays or not based on that rumor.


Possible. Truth be told though, what Panther fans see Jerry Richardson being, I think Woody Johnson actually is.

#174 SZ James (banned)

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:05 PM

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:06 PM

I think it is the right decision. The players rallied for him and his technical coaching improved. AND he responded when Richardson put him on notice. This team is a potential 12 win team next year.


Sounds awfully similar to the end of the 2011 season.

#176 XClown1986

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:08 PM

Rivera deserves to stay. Made lemonade from poo in 2 years in my opinion.

#177 Car123

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:08 PM

Want me to run a comparison of how many turned it around after being horrible for 2 years versus how many just weren't good coaches?

Hint: One is much greater than the other

Well it's easier to be horrible

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:10 PM

Lol, really? In the last decade please, the game has definitely changed since then. And even if it hadn't those are Hall of Fame HCs. I can name you 10x maybe as much HCs in the same time period who had epic fails.

Well nowadays coaches get fired after 3 sub par seasons. No patience anymore

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:11 PM

this team has been a potential 12 win team for years, esp. the last couple.

i can appreciate the team rallying for their coach, but why can't rivera get them to do that earlier in the season? why can't he get his OC to adjust his scheme earlier? why does it take so long for positive things to happen?


Fair questions. John Fox seemed to have the same issue here from time to time particularly '02, '04 '09

Another slow start and you can Rivera mid-season.

Keep in mind it was reported that Rivera had lost the lockeroom after 6 games this year. If that was true he did something to fix it and the players love him now. If we keep that philosophy and momentum starting with game 1 we will be in great shape.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:11 PM

Also players rallying for their coaches is not always a great thing. Lovie Smith was loved by his players, some even saying they will retire now (Hester). It just goes to show, who wouldn't love a HC that doesn't hold anyone accountable and allows everyone to get comfortable in their ways.


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