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#157 rayzor

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 01:53 PM

Want me to run a comparison of how many turned it around after being horrible for 2 years versus how many just weren't good coaches?

Hint: One is much greater than the other

someone did that already.

it was as expected. most coaches who fail their first couple years find they are pretty good at it and never get it turned around.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 01:53 PM

Jonathan Jones describes the support Rivera had from the players as "overwhelming".

Says staff shakeup is a possibility, but not definite.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 01:54 PM

Almost every team with a GM vacancy has handled the HC separately. KC hired a coach, Cleveland is hiring Kelly, Jax has a coach, Jets have a coach. I've said it several times, if a "top tier" GM demands to pick their own staff, their choices are Cardinals or Chargers. That's it. We haven't eliminated anyone unless they'd rather take over one of those poo-shows.

if we had a winning team/coach i could see saying that the coach was off limits. if he was running a successful program it would make sense.

this team does nothing but not succeed.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 01:55 PM

Everybody do the Beane!!!

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 01:55 PM

Jimmy Johnson
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Lol, really? In the last decade please, the game has definitely changed since then. And even if it hadn't those are Hall of Fame HCs. I can name you 10x maybe as much HCs in the same time period who had epic fails.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 01:56 PM

Jonathan Jones describes the support Rivera had from the players as "overwhelming".

Says staff shakeup is a possibility, but not definite.

it's a shame they didn't show it until december when their coach was in danger of losing his job.

they may like their coach, but i don't know that he's capable of pulling the best out of them unless his job is on the line.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 01:57 PM

Lol, really? In the last decade please, the game has definitely changed since then. And even if it hadn't those are Hall of Fame HCs. I can name you 10x maybe as much HCs in the same time period who had epic fails.

but those guys are legendary. LEGENDARY!


and don't you tell me you can't find a QB stocking shelves at a grocery store! KURT FRIKKIN WARNER!!!!!!

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 01:59 PM

Almost every team with a GM vacancy has handled the HC separately. KC hired a coach, Cleveland is hiring Kelly, Jax has a coach, Jets have a coach. I've said it several times, if a "top tier" GM demands to pick their own staff, their choices are Cardinals or Chargers. That's it. We haven't eliminated anyone unless they'd rather take over one of those poo-shows.



KC knew they were going after Reid who was always going to want control over everything and bring in his own GM. Cleveland has been ran secretly (Not really a secret) By Lombardi and he's leaving the NFL network to take the job as GM. Kelly is his guy.
If Gamble gets the job in NY, he's got permission to fire Ryan at any time. It's the reason Ryan wasn't involved in the search. Gamble is most likely firing Ryan...

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:00 PM

Jonathan Jones describes the support Rivera had from the players as "overwhelming".

Says staff shakeup is a possibility, but not definite.



First reported by Patty Y that the Panther's might shake up the staff, but no Coordinators would be involved.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:01 PM

KC knew they were going after Reid who was always going to want control over everything and bring in his own GM. Cleveland has been ran secretly (Not really a secret) By Lombardi and he's leaving the NFL network to take the job as GM. Kelly is his guy.

If Gamble gets the job in NY, he's got permission to fire Ryan at any time. It's the reason Ryan wasn't involved in the search. Gamble is most likely firing Ryan...


Reports are that GM candidates have been told they have to stick with Rex.

Owner Woody Johnson loves his persona.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:01 PM

i've known lots of experienced failures.

i think it can take more time with some, but i haven't seen that in rivera. i see only a guy who can win when desperate to keep his job and who's players will only step it up when that job is in jeopardy.

not sure how much i like that.

but to your point, experience does not always equal growth. prisons are full of people with tons of experience.


Agreed. But if anyone deserves commitment shouldn't it be the ones with experience instead of the learning-on-the-job types?
Anyways, I didn't want an experienced HC at all just making a point about Rivera. It seems HCs are the most stubborn to change and adapt, only the ones who are successful adapt right away.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:02 PM

Let's start getting used to the Beane

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